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Man stabbed eight times in racial attack
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Posted on 05/27/2005 3:46:10 PM PDT by Happy2BMe

Man stabbed eight times in racial attack

Debbie Ramsey

Managing Editor

5/27/2005 1:50:46 PM

The streets of Fallbrook used to be viewed as quiet and safe. After a brutal attempted murder on Saturday night, May 21, residents may be forced to revise their opinion.

The incident, categorized by the Sheriff’s Department as gang-related and an example of the current racial tension between Hispanics and Blacks in the community, is said to have involved 21 attackers who left a 19-year-old Black male severely beaten with eight stab wounds from as many as five different knives. “No arrests have been made in this case yet, but when they are, the charges will be attempted murder,” said Sheriff’s Sgt. Rich Hendrickson. “In the last month, there have been a lot of things happening in Fallbrook that people need to take notice of and be aware of.” Incidences include altercations, rumors and threats between various factions.

The incident occurred at approximately 10:05 p.m. outside the Circle K Market at 1005 East Mission Road in Fallbrook. The 19-year-old victim pulled up outside the store in a vehicle with two male companions — one Caucasian and one Hispanic. One of the driver’s companions exited the vehicle to make a purchase in the store. While waiting in the parking lot, the victim noticed five Hispanic males sitting in chairs in front of the store. The group began directing remarks at the individuals in the car. Suddenly, one of the Hispanic males approached the vehicle with a knife. He proceeded to puncture the tire of the vehicle the victim was in and then attacked the victim.

Shortly after the incident began, witnesses say the four other Hispanic males in front of the store ran over and joined in the attack. During the attack, authorities say, at least two other vehicles pulled into the parking lot and approximately 16 more Hispanic males exited and joined in the fray against the victim.

During the course of the violent attack, the victim was stabbed eight times and lost three of his lower front teeth. When emergency response teams arrived, the victim was air transported to Palomar Trauma Center, where he survived his injuries. The victim’s two companions were assaulted but not seriously injured.

“Currently, there is some tension between Hispanics and Blacks in the community,” Hendrickson said. “At this time, we have not drawn any direct correlation between this and what has been going on at the high school, but the whole situation is under investigation.” Concerns over the incident are grave enough for messages of caution to be extended within the community.

“My advice to members of the community is to be very aware of all things that are happening around you,” Hendrickson said. “Make an assessment of your situation at all times. If you have any apprehension at all, it’s best to conduct your business elsewhere. We are urging the public to report anything suspicious to the Sheriff’s Department.”

The outlook for the immediate future isn’t particularly reassuring, according to officials. “Tensions always tend to rise at the end of the school year,” Hendrickson confirmed. “This could be a nasty summer.”

If you have any information that may be helpful to this investigation, please call Detective Joe Montion at (760) 451-3100.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; gangs; immigrantlist
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"This could be a nasty summer."

1 posted on 05/27/2005 3:46:11 PM PDT by Happy2BMe
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To: devolve; MeekOneGOP; potlatch; JohnHuang2; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; hershey; ..
Where is Jessie Jackson when you need him?

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The incident, categorized by the Sheriff’s Department as gang-related and an example of the current racial tension between Hispanics and Blacks in the community, is said to have involved 21 attackers who left a 19-year-old Black male severely beaten with eight stab wounds from as many as five different knives.

2 posted on 05/27/2005 3:47:37 PM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Happy2BMe

Let's hope not . . . http://cbs2.com/topstories/topstoriesla_story_146173221.html


3 posted on 05/27/2005 3:50:23 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Happy2BMe
“Currently, there is some tension between Hispanics and Blacks in the community”

Huh, more like always was and always will be...

4 posted on 05/27/2005 3:51:28 PM PDT by Seeking the truth (0cents.com - Pajama Patrol Badges are here!)
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To: Happy2BMe

If a white guy was the perp, the headline would include "Hate Crime."


5 posted on 05/27/2005 3:54:08 PM PDT by CO Gal (Liberals should be seen, but not heard..)
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To: BenLurkin; Pro-Bush; Gipper08; Reaganwuzthebest; Reagan Man
LA Mayor: Mexico Will Shape My Policies

Mexican commandos new threat on border

Time for Reverend Sharpton's apology? - (great piece by Larry Elder!)

CA: Immigration event turns hostile (Minuteman)

6 posted on 05/27/2005 3:54:35 PM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Happy2BMe

I pray for the young man's full recovery.


7 posted on 05/27/2005 3:55:38 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://music.download.com/gloriajane "Seems Like Our Press Has Turned Against Our Country")
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To: Happy2BMe

Jesse's not messing with these guys--they mean business.


8 posted on 05/27/2005 3:55:47 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Happy2BMe

Just remember if you are attacked by a gang of knife wielding animals, aim for center of mass, and make each shot count, don't forget to "take your time" reloading while taking advantage of available cover.....

Wait, Oh yeah, New York.

Nevermind


9 posted on 05/27/2005 3:57:44 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (99.99 of 100 scumbags would rather kick in a New York door, than an Alaskan door.Wonder why?)
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To: Happy2BMe

They're just practicing for attacks on whites. The latino crime wave in the southland is an unreported holocaust.


10 posted on 05/27/2005 3:58:04 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God is not magical, He is real. He is the only reality.)
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To: Happy2BMe
Let's stop the slaughter and get those knives outlawed.

/S

11 posted on 05/27/2005 3:58:38 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: CO Gal

And if a white person had been stabbed, this would not be a racially motivated attack.


12 posted on 05/27/2005 4:04:52 PM PDT by Brian328i
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Followup here: Arrests made in racial stabbing incident

5/27/2005 6:11:42 PM

The Sheriff’s Department has reported that two arrests were made May 25th in connection with the gang-related racial incident that occurred May 21st where a 19-year old Black man was beaten and stabbed eight times outside a local convenience store.

Arrested were Carlos Lupercio, 20, and Fernando Ovalle, 19, both of Fallbrook.


13 posted on 05/27/2005 4:10:20 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: atomic_dog

Britain is right , Ban sharp knives, anything sharper than a butter knife should be banned. Are Machete's , Swords , and Bayonets like Assault weapons?


14 posted on 05/27/2005 4:13:40 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: La Enchiladita
Shortly after the incident began, witnesses say the four other Hispanic males in front of the store ran over and joined in the attack. During the attack, authorities say, at least two other vehicles pulled into the parking lot and approximately 16 more Hispanic males exited and joined in the fray against the victim.

20 people attacking one guy? Damn...

15 posted on 05/27/2005 4:13:42 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: Brian328i; John Jorsett; CO Gal; JohnHuang2; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; ...
Heather Mac Donald

"in Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens."

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The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave
Heather Mac Donald

Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens. Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gangbanger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law.

The LAPD’s ban on immigration enforcement mirrors bans in immigrant-saturated cities around the country, from New York and Chicago to San Diego, Austin, and Houston. These “sanctuary policies” generally prohibit city employees, including the cops, from reporting immigration violations to federal authorities.

Such laws testify to the sheer political power of immigrant lobbies, a power so irresistible that police officials shrink from even mentioning the illegal-alien crime wave. “We can’t even talk about it,” says a frustrated LAPD captain. “People are afraid of a backlash from Hispanics.” Another LAPD commander in a predominantly Hispanic, gang-infested district sighs: “I would get a firestorm of criticism if I talked about [enforcing the immigration law against illegals].” Neither captain would speak for attribution.

But however pernicious in themselves, sanctuary rules are a symptom of a much broader disease: the nation’s near-total loss of control over immigration policy. Fifty years ago, immigration policy might have driven immigration numbers, but today the numbers drive policy. The nonstop increase of immigration is reshaping the language and the law to dissolve any distinction between legal and illegal aliens and, ultimately, the very idea of national borders.

It is a measure of how topsy-turvy the immigration environment has become that to ask police officials about the illegal-alien crime problem feels like a gross faux pas, not done in polite company. And a police official asked to violate this powerful taboo will give a strangled response—or, as in the case of a New York deputy commissioner, break off communication altogether. Meanwhile, millions of illegal aliens work, shop, travel, and commit crimes in plain view, utterly secure in their de facto immunity from the immigration law.

I asked the Miami Police Department’s spokesman, Detective Delrish Moss, about his employer’s policy on lawbreaking illegals. In September, the force arrested a Honduran visa violator for seven vicious rapes. The previous year, Miami cops had had the suspect in custody for lewd and lascivious molestation, without checking his immigration status. Had they done so, they would have discovered his visa overstay, a deportable offense, and so could have forestalled the rapes. “We have shied away from unnecessary involvement dealing with immigration issues,” explains Moss, choosing his words carefully, “because of our large immigrant population.”

Police commanders may not want to discuss, much less respond to, the illegal-alien crisis, but its magnitude for law enforcement is startling. Some examples:

• In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

• A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.

• The leadership of the Columbia Lil’ Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around L.A.’s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002, says former assistant U.S. attorney Luis Li. Francisco Martinez, a Mexican Mafia member and an illegal alien, controlled the gang from prison, while serving time for felonious reentry following deportation.

Good luck finding any reference to such facts in official crime analysis. The LAPD and the L.A. city attorney recently requested an injunction against drug trafficking in Hollywood, targeting the 18th Street Gang and the “non–gang members” who sell drugs in Hollywood for the gang. Those non–gang members are virtually all illegal Mexicans, smuggled into the country by a ring organized by 18th Street bigs. The Mexicans pay off their transportation debts to the gang by selling drugs; many soon realize how lucrative that line of work is and stay in the business.

Cops and prosecutors universally know the immigration status of these non-gang “Hollywood dealers,” as the city attorney calls them, but the gang injunction is assiduously silent on the matter. And if a Hollywood officer were to arrest an illegal dealer (known on the street as a “border brother”) for his immigration status, or even notify the Immigration and Naturalization Service (since early 2003, absorbed into the new Department of Homeland Security), he would face severe discipline for violating Special Order 40, the city’s sanctuary policy.

The ordinarily tough-as-nails former LAPD chief Daryl Gates enacted Special Order 40 in 1979—showing that even the most unapologetic law-and-order cop is no match for immigration advocates. The order prohibits officers from “initiating police action where the objective is to discover the alien status of a person”—in other words, the police may not even ask someone they have arrested about his immigration status until after they have filed criminal charges, nor may they arrest someone for immigration violations. They may not notify immigration authorities about an illegal alien picked up for minor violations. Only if they have already booked an illegal alien for a felony or for multiple misdemeanors may they inquire into his status or report him. The bottom line: a cordon sanitaire between local law enforcement and immigration authorities that creates a safe haven for illegal criminals.

L.A.’s sanctuary law and all others like it contradict a key 1990s policing discovery: the Great Chain of Being in criminal behavior. Pick up a law-violator for a “minor” crime, and you might well prevent a major crime: enforcing graffiti and turnstile-jumping laws nabs you murderers and robbers. Enforcing known immigration violations, such as reentry following deportation, against known felons, would be even more productive. LAPD officers recognize illegal deported gang members all the time—flashing gang signs at court hearings for rival gangbangers, hanging out on the corner, or casing a target. These illegal returnees are, simply by being in the country after deportation, committing a felony (in contrast to garden-variety illegals on their first trip to the U.S., say, who are only committing a misdemeanor). “But if I see a deportee from the Mara Salvatrucha [Salvadoran prison] gang crossing the street, I know I can’t touch him,” laments a Los Angeles gang officer. Only if the deported felon has given the officer some other reason to stop him, such as an observed narcotics sale, can the cop accost him—but not for the immigration felony.

Though such a policy puts the community at risk, the department’s top brass brush off such concerns. No big deal if you see deported gangbangers back on the streets, they say. Just put them under surveillance for “real” crimes and arrest them for those. But surveillance is very manpower-intensive. Where there is an immediate ground for getting a violent felon off the street and for questioning him further, it is absurd to demand that the woefully understaffed LAPD ignore it.

The stated reasons for sanctuary policies are that they encourage illegal-alien crime victims and witnesses to cooperate with cops without fear of deportation, and that they encourage illegals to take advantage of city services like health care and education (to whose maintenance few illegals have contributed a single tax dollar, of course). There has never been any empirical verification that sanctuary laws actually accomplish these goals—and no one has ever suggested not enforcing drug laws, say, for fear of intimidating drug-using crime victims. But in any case, this official rationale could be honored by limiting police use of immigration laws to some subset of immigration violators: deported felons, say, or repeat criminal offenders whose immigration status police already know.

The real reason cities prohibit their cops and other employees from immigration reporting and enforcement is, like nearly everything else in immigration policy, the numbers. The immigrant population has grown so large that public officials are terrified of alienating it, even at the expense of ignoring the law and tolerating violence. In 1996, a breathtaking Los Angeles Times exposé on the 18th Street Gang, which included descriptions of innocent bystanders being murdered by laughing cholos (gang members), revealed the rate of illegal-alien membership in the gang. In response to the public outcry, the Los Angeles City Council ordered the police to reexamine Special Order 40. You would have thought it had suggested reconsidering Roe v. Wade. A police commander warned the council: “This is going to open a significant, heated debate.” City Councilwoman Laura Chick put on a brave front: “We mustn’t be afraid,” she declared firmly.

But of course immigrant pandering trumped public safety. Law-abiding residents of gang-infested neighborhoods may live in terror of the tattooed gangbangers dealing drugs, spraying graffiti, and shooting up rivals outside their homes, but such anxiety can never equal a politician’s fear of offending Hispanics. At the start of the reexamination process, LAPD deputy chief John White had argued that allowing the department to work closely with the INS would give cops another tool for getting gang members off the streets. Trying to build a homicide case, say, against an illegal gang member is often futile, he explained, since witnesses fear deadly retaliation if they cooperate with the police. Enforcing an immigration violation would allow the cops to lock up the murderer right now, without putting a witness’s life at risk.

But six months later, Deputy Chief White had changed his tune: “Any broadening of the policy gets us into the immigration business,” he asserted. “It’s a federal law-enforcement issue, not a local law-enforcement issue.” Interim police chief Bayan Lewis told the L.A. Police Commission: “It is not the time. It is not the day to look at Special Order 40.”

16 posted on 05/27/2005 4:14:41 PM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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"We are urging the public to report anything suspicious to the Sheriff's Department."

They need to repeat that in Spanish for the benefit of the "immigrant community". They may have some valuable tips for the cops.

17 posted on 05/27/2005 4:17:04 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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What about the 'trespassing' law?

(They may be too afraid of being arrested themselves.)

Next . .

18 posted on 05/27/2005 4:19:07 PM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Happy2BMe
I grew up in Pomona Calif. A very tough S Calif city. A place where there is a lot of Mexicans and blacks. There were lots of fights even in those days in the 60s-70s.

I really kinda' hate to say this because it sounds racial, but it is not meant to be racist, it's just the truth as I witnessed it. The Mexican tough guys went around in groups wanting to start fights with everyone, especially us white guys. I never once saw a Mexican guy engage in a fair fight. Never even once! They always had three or more friends who would gang up on one guy, they were always pulling weapons, usually knives, in those days, but a pipe or a bat or a razor blade was very common too.

When whites would fight against other whites, it was almost always a one on one. Two guys squaring off toe to toe for a fist fight, people would gather and watch, but it was a fair fight. Usually nobody else would jump in and I can't ever remember any of them pulling any weapons.

I always thought it was very cowardly of the Mexicans the way you could never get them to fight fair, one on one. I don't think things have changed at all, in fact, I think it's gotten a lot worse.

I apologize to anyone who takes this the wrong way. I'm sure there must have been exceptions to this, but I never witnessed one. I saw lots and lots of fights growing up there. And ask anyone who's ever spent much time in Pomona, they know exactly what I'm talking about.

That's just the truth as I remember it. Sorry if some people can't handle the truth.

19 posted on 05/27/2005 4:26:00 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: porkchops 4 mahound

California, I believe (not that that would change your point any...)


20 posted on 05/27/2005 4:26:47 PM PDT by A. Goodwin
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