Once translated by Bobby Sura. (that was a bad one)
Posted on 05/25/2005 1:50:26 PM PDT by forty_years
The english version of the koran, at best, is extremely watered down. I for one am sick and tired of even debating with the Muslims any more. It is time for action, just as the MinuteMen are doing. It's time to watch every Mosque intently. If they hold open meetings, go and video tape it, get audio and make it known on the web. I have a site I've been working on, If you would like it, I'd be glad to paste it, with permission.
Be well and be safe.
Jeff
I ordered one for free from CAIR for target practice.
I couldn't agree more. The koran is a sick joke and a terrorist hate manual. It should be relegated to the trash bin like the mein hempf and communist manifesto.
An arabic passage that says something like "Beware of false religions" might be interpreted by the imam as "Kill the infidels" and few would question.
Interesting...
The "taking it out of context" argument. Been there , done that.
Jeff
sura 4:8 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.
sura 4:9 If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant.
Its hard to understand how passages like these can be taken out of context. I mean really...they're just so peaceful and loving.
I'm sure this is fascinating, heady stuff if you're a muj' trying to discern whether or not Mohammed would think Allah would have any problem with you wiping your holy caboose with your left hand if you accidently blew your right hand off while trying to kill infidels. Or whether you were justified beating the kuffir with a pork loin in the name of Allah. (Accurate translations matter when you have to contemplate such weighty matters.)
I don't care how accurate the translation of a terror manual like the Koran is - it is still a terror manual, and as long as we live in a free land, we can burn it, or wipe our bottoms with it, or line our dog's crates with it, or do anything, any American, protected by the First Amendment, could ever think to do to Old Glory.
Freedom is my religion, the flag is Freedom's symbol, and I've just about had it with whiny Muslims complaining about supposed desecration of their filthy terror manual.
Burn a Koran for Uncle Sam!
"Its hard to understand how passages like these can be taken out of context. "
Not hard considering you have copied them from someone who has them completly wrong -
[4:8] During distribution of the inheritances, if relatives, orphans, and needy persons are present, you shall give them therefrom, and treat them kindly.
[4:9] Those who are concerned about their own children, in case they leave them behind, shall observe GOD and be equitable.
http://www.submission.org/suras/sura4.html
It is an interesting article, with its emphasis on how various political agendas have worked to transform the English translations. Thanks for posting it.
"The "taking it out of context" argument. Been there , done that. "
Good ! The first step to a cure is to admit to yourself that you have been doing it.
There is little doubt that it was plagarized from jewish texts. Phony from beginning to end.
BINGO!!!
"Not hard considering you have copied them from someone who has them completly wrong - "
So I made a mistake with location. ((Correction))...sura 4:89 through 4:92
Wonder what he thought about the parts that dissed dogs.
Here ya go :)
From Surah 4 AN-NISA (WOMEN)
004.089
YUSUFALI: They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-
PICKTHAL: They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
SHAKIR: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
004.090
YUSUFALI: Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).
PICKTHAL: Except those who seek refuge with a people between whom and you there is a covenant, or (those who) come unto you because their hearts forbid them to make war on you or make war on their own folk. Had Allah willed He could have given them power over you so that assuredly they would have fought you. So, if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and offer you peace, Allah alloweth you no way against them.
SHAKIR: Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.
004.091
YUSUFALI: Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: Every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto: if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them: In their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them.
PICKTHAL: Ye will find others who desire that they should have security from you, and security from their own folk. So often as they are returned to hostility they are plunged therein. If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.
SHAKIR: You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority.
004.092
YUSUFALI: Never should a believer kill a believer; but (If it so happens) by mistake, (Compensation is due): If one (so) kills a believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you, and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (Is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have treaty of Mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their means, (is prescribed) a fast for two months running: by way of repentance to Allah: for Allah hath all knowledge and all wisdom.
PICKTHAL: It is not for a believer to kill a believer unless (it be) by mistake. He who hath killed a believer by mistake must set free a believing slave, and pay the blood-money to the family of the slain, unless they remit it as a charity. If he (the victim) be of a people hostile unto you, and he is a believer, then (the penance is) to set free a believing slave. And if he cometh of a folk between whom and you there is a covenant, then the blood-money must be paid unto his folk and (also) a believing slave must be set free. And whoso hath not the wherewithal must fast two consecutive months. A penance from Allah. Allah is Knower, Wise.
SHAKIR: And it does not behoove a believer to kill a believer except by mistake, and whoever kills a believer by mistake, he should free a believing slave, and blood-money should be paid to his people unless they remit it as alms; but if he be from a tribe hostile to you and he is a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (suffices), and if he is from a tribe between whom and you there is a convenant, the blood-money should be paid to his people along with the freeing of a believing slave; but he who cannot find (a slave) should fast for two months successively: a penance from Allah, and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
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