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Senate panel considers apology to American Indians
Reuters ^ | 05/25/05

Posted on 05/25/2005 11:32:48 AM PDT by nypokerface

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To: nypokerface

Screw that. While I get outraged at the actions of our government in times past, it WAS in times past. Long past. Since the 1890's there haven't been any military campaigns against Indian tribes.
Even the attempts to deny Indians their language and culture were based on the "science" of the times vis a vis assimilation and the best way to integrate the Indian to make him a part of American society and to hopefully end the reservation system.
Today, while those methods such as punishing them for speaking their own language are denounced, it still doesn't warrant an "apology".
It was wrong to commit genocidal actions [just as it was wrong for them to attempt the same against us] and to break our word to them as we did.
But "apologize"? I don't think so.
Besides, my folk weren't even here.
We didn't do a thing to them.
I have nothing to apologize for.


21 posted on 05/25/2005 11:41:49 AM PDT by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: nypokerface

Apology?

OK.

Then y'all get no more $$$ for nuthin', and start paying income tax like the rest of us.


22 posted on 05/25/2005 11:42:08 AM PDT by msf92497 (My brain is "twitchy")
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To: nypokerface
Indian leaders at the hearing said they would need more than an apology to overcome the poverty, substance abuse and health care problems that many of their people face.

They want an apology for their self destruction? Seriously, I as an American, do not owe an apology to the Indians, or the descendants of slaves, railroad workers, or indentured servants. I never killed an Indian, or stole land, or took a slave, or coerced and exploited anyone for free labor or money. Perhaps my forefathers did but I am not responsible for their sins.

23 posted on 05/25/2005 11:42:17 AM PDT by Guard Dog (The strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must)
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To: Yo-Yo
>When are the American Indians going to apologize for their actions.

Like what? Charging $19.95 for the Roast Beef buffet in the casino?

Funniest thing I've heard all week. Thanks I needed that. Seriously though the Europeans were expanding their territory and the Indians were defending theirs. That's life. No apologies are necessary. Just about every group in the world has been through it in some form or another.

24 posted on 05/25/2005 11:43:39 AM PDT by NYCynic
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To: Guard Dog

We presume you've purchased good title insurance however. Although you are not responsible for anything at all, you may still be held accountable for it!


25 posted on 05/25/2005 11:43:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: nypokerface

It seems to me that if all of the participants are dead, then an apology is worthless. You can have a pronouncement that "US government had treated the Indians wrongly", but then does anyone not know this? An "apology" means nothing at this point. We cannot be "sorry" for something _we_ didn't do. I am dissapointed, sure, but thats not sorry, there is no contrition on my part (not even my ancestors, but I digress). This "I'm sorry" crap is just part of the Oprah Generation...


26 posted on 05/25/2005 11:44:09 AM PDT by Paradox (Mixing metaphors like a bartender mixing concrete.)
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To: NYCynic
Look, the buffet at Pechanga is only $10.00. Who gets away with $19.95?

That's outrageous.

27 posted on 05/25/2005 11:44:34 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ExpandNATO

"Oh say, like the attempt to massacre the Jamestown colony."

Was that the same colony that was built without consent with the native citizens of that land?

It's what the illegal aliens are trying to do.


28 posted on 05/25/2005 11:45:19 AM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: nypokerface
No apology.

The wars themselves are history, but a moral country lives up to it's commitments. The US government should calculate a way to compensate for broken treaties and agreements.

The apology thing is just a way to make the government thugs feel better about things without actually making good on the commitments.

29 posted on 05/25/2005 11:47:10 AM PDT by Protagoras (The goal is power, the tool is deceit.)
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To: nypokerface

What total BS. Is this what we send them to Washington for ?


30 posted on 05/25/2005 11:49:37 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: nypokerface

Is Brownback trying to jump on the bandwagon of that new Spielberg series coming out?


31 posted on 05/25/2005 11:49:45 AM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: You can get more reliable information in a beauty shop, than from the media)
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To: nypokerface

What actions?

Being here and protecting their land?

I'm not part of the-beat-the-European-American crowd, but America's treatment of native Americans has been despicable.

I actually blame it on the French.

Between 1689 and 1763 the French, ensconced in Canada, used Native American indian "allies" to conduct a brutal frontier war on British American civilians. Their use of these unfortunate people as a political and military foil engendered in the American mind the concept of American Indians as a brutal savage, equivalent to wolves and cougars, who was only fit to be shouldered aside from lands he "occupied" but did not "own".

The Eastern Tribes only wanted to survive. They were trapped between the twin millstones of French and British expansionism and tried to select the lesser of the two evils. Unfortunately they chose "not wisely."

The Amerindians were forced off their own lands at gun point, they were compelled to "sign" documents they didn't understand, plied with whiskey, deprived of a livelihood, crowded into barren "reservations", forced to watch their children taken from them and educated as whites, punished when they spoke their own language, prevented from practising their own religion, ridiculed for their dress and customs, and decimated by diseases they had no resistance to and couldn't understand.

Pity the American Indian. And pity us for the heritage they and WE have lost. They are Americans also.

I think they deserve at least an apology and maybe more - the few of them that we left around still alive, that is.


32 posted on 05/25/2005 11:49:54 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: nypokerface

Before Indians were running casinos and selling cigarettes tax-free in North America, they were a stone-age people before the "pale face" came. They had not learned to domesticate animals (except dogs), they had no written language, they used only stone tools and they had not even yet invented the wheel.

They had never seen a horse, a metal knife, a cart or a plow.

They also commonly practiced slavery, genocide and cannibalism against other tribes. No matter how many times you watch "Dances with Wolves" and "Pocahontas," it will not change these facts.

In terms of population percentage loss, the worst war we ever fought was King Philip's War in 1675-76. King Philip was an indian chief (also known as Metacomet) who attacked to oust white settlers from New England. The Indians burned down/destroyed twelve of ninety Puritan towns and attacked forty others (including Providence). The Colonists' population was small in 1675 and a good percentage of that population was killed in the war (with about 1000 slain out of a population of 52,000, this death rate was nearly twice that of the Civil War and more than seven times that of World War II). The Indians lost the war.

The Indians sided with the French in the French And Indian War (1753). The indians lost the war.

The Indians sided with the British in the Revolution. The Indians lost the war.

The Indians sided with the British again in the War of 1812. The Indians lost the war.

As the Americans moved west, fighting was constant on both sides. The Indians lost everytime.


33 posted on 05/25/2005 11:50:39 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: ZULU
And pity us for the heritage they and WE have lost. They are Americans also.

No they are not, by their own choice. Haven't you heard? They are sovereign nations.

Spare us the BS, OK? Pity yourself all you want, but please jettison the arrogance that allows you to think you can speak for me.

34 posted on 05/25/2005 11:53:57 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: nypokerface
If it keeps up like this, then maybe we'll apologies to Hitler and Tojo.

Everyone blames the U.S. for their stupidity; yes,stupidity!!
35 posted on 05/25/2005 11:56:15 AM PDT by GOPologist
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To: NYCynic
Seriously though the Europeans were expanding their territory and the Indians were defending theirs. That's life. No apologies are necessary. Just about every group in the world has been through it in some form or another.

Do a Google to learn how the Comanche came to dominate vast areas of Texas.  They moved in from the north and forced everyone in their way to other parts.  Peaceful coexistence was definitely not a feature of the frontier.

One of the reasons local Indians were willing to stay at the missions was because the Spanish defended them against other marauding tribes.

There's plenty of bad, bloody history on all sides to go round.  This silly self-flagellation over the past must stop.

36 posted on 05/25/2005 11:59:06 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: G.Mason
I wish to go on record as being one of the citizens of the United States that is not included in any forthcoming apology.

Me too. This weak-kneed, psychobabble line of thinking is ridiculous.

37 posted on 05/25/2005 12:00:11 PM PDT by American Quilter
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To: nypokerface
Murdering,raping,stealing,butchering women and children
is ok as long as they are white and Christian?..no harm no foul..

Of course revisionist historians mileage varies

imo
38 posted on 05/25/2005 12:00:35 PM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: nypokerface
Indian leaders at the hearing said much more than an apology was needed to help deal with the many problems their communities are facing, including poverty, ill health and poor health care, alcoholism, drug addiction and unemployment.

They're right. An apology is no help at all, since the referenced problems are entirely of the Indians' own making. Americans who happen to be Indian have full citizenship, with all the rights, privileges, and responsibilities that entails. Let them start solving their own problems--nothing stops them but their own bad choices.

39 posted on 05/25/2005 12:05:59 PM PDT by American Quilter
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To: nypokerface

Welfare grab.


40 posted on 05/25/2005 12:08:59 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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