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Frigidaire Ovens With the Sabbath Mode Feature (G*d is in my oven)
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Posted on 05/17/2005 12:34:50 PM PDT by FoxPro

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To: Mr. K

Well, you would have to read Leviticus and Deuteronomy.

That says it better than anyone here can.


21 posted on 05/17/2005 1:01:31 PM PDT by Skooz (Property Taxes are Immoral)
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To: OldFriend
All food should be placed in the oven before the Sabbath begins, since none may be placed in the oven during the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, the oven door may only be opened once, all the food removed, and then closed. On the Holidays, the oven door may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.

On the Holidays, the temperature may be adjusted (but not initiated or turned off) at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).

On the Holidays, raising the temperature is not permitted because there is no indication when power is on to the heating elements. Lowering the temperature is permitted when necessary for food preparation.

Yep, that's craziness - either that, or a mistranslation of "heating elements" from the original Old Testament Hebrew.

Mass silliness.

I wonder what the Jerusalem hospitals' ER procedures are on the Sabbath? Can the emergency doctors do anything? Do ambulances even pull up to the doors, or is that considered "work"?

Archaic silliness, yes. IMHO And frankly, I don't think God really cares a heck of a lot, or is offended very much, about oven operation on any given day.

22 posted on 05/17/2005 1:01:44 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Hank Rearden
I'm guessing the Amish don't have such craziness with their cooking equipment.

The stores are entirely lighted and heated with gas ... and it looked to me like the refrigerators were gas powered as well (same principle as gas powered refrigeratores in RVs).

But they do take Visa, MasterCard, and Discover. And they don't mess around with carbon-paper impressions.

23 posted on 05/17/2005 1:01:53 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: FoxPro

When I was in Israel I stayed in a hotel whose elevators had a special "Sabbath" mode. As far as I could tell, on the Sabbath, the elevator automatically went up and down, stopping at each floor, so that people could ride it without pressing any buttons.


24 posted on 05/17/2005 1:02:05 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: FoxPro

I work for Whirlpool, and I can tell you that "Sabbath mode", has been a standard in the appliance industry for years. It is nothing new...looks like one company just wants to emphasize, for marketing purposes, something the industry has been doing for a long time.


25 posted on 05/17/2005 1:02:41 PM PDT by CheapRock
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To: OldFriend
So nice of you to decide someone else's religious beliefs are crazines.

No offense but, this is how I see it.

I couldn't care less if someone disrespects my beliefs. Go ahead, call it craziness. The nice thing about believing in Truth is that my beliefs are able to withstand any and all disrespect.

Thus, for the same reason, I am under no obligation to respect others' beliefs. Make no mistake, I do respect their right to believe whatever they wish.

Disrespect? Bring it on. It will only strengthen my belief. Anyone who can't stand some scrutiny of their beliefs might question whether they're satisfied with what they believe.

26 posted on 05/17/2005 1:03:37 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Alouette

What is the rationale behind allowing you to move every stick of furniture in your house on the Sabbath, but not allowing you to go outside the house with a handkerchief in your pocket?


27 posted on 05/17/2005 1:04:16 PM PDT by lifelongsoldier (Israel was not the only son of Avraham (bless his name).)
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To: ArrogantBustard
But they do take Visa, MasterCard, and Discover. And they don't mess around with carbon-paper impressions.

Interesting; I've never seen a gas-powered credit card machine.

28 posted on 05/17/2005 1:04:27 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: AppyPappy
The Jews believed God was appeased by obedience to rules. Once God established a set of rules, the Rabbis needed to "clarify" them for every day living. This is the result...Religion by committee.

Actually the prohibition on making a fire on the Sabbath is a Commandment, not Rabbinical in nature.

29 posted on 05/17/2005 1:04:33 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't think the red-tiled roofs are as sturdy as my asbestos one, Palestinian refugee)
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To: AppyPappy
It's awfully easy for you to ridicule, but given the Pentateuch, what would you expect them to do instead: just ignore the ones that seemed ambiguous and figure out ways to work around the others?

The reason the Jews believed God was appeased by obedience to rules was because he is. The only problem is, none of us can do so perfectly, so he's provided another Option.

30 posted on 05/17/2005 1:04:51 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: Hank Rearden

Well, since many of those rules were writen by God Himself, you could always take it up with Him, rather than His obedient followers.


31 posted on 05/17/2005 1:05:23 PM PDT by Skooz (Property Taxes are Immoral)
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To: Hank Rearden
I wonder what the Jerusalem hospitals' ER procedures are on the Sabbath? Can the emergency doctors do anything? Do ambulances even pull up to the doors, or is that considered "work"?

As a general rule, the Orthodox waive rules, when it's a matter of preserving health or life. The rules are supposed to demonstrate obedience, not be a suicide pact.

32 posted on 05/17/2005 1:07:03 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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33 posted on 05/17/2005 1:07:09 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't think the red-tiled roofs are as sturdy as my asbestos one, Palestinian refugee)
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To: Skooz

I thought the 'oral torah' was written by the rabbis or 'sages'.


34 posted on 05/17/2005 1:08:18 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Hank Rearden
I haven't seen one, either. They appeared to be powered by the telephone line voltage.

Apparently, 120VAC is a violation of the rules, but 40VDC is not. Dunno, really. NMP. I just eat their jams and preserves and such. That's some seriously good eats.

35 posted on 05/17/2005 1:08:40 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Hank Rearden
If you want to adhere to such ancient rituals and lifestyles, why have electricity or indoor plumbing at all?

Because the Orthodox don't consider themselves to be living a an ancient lifestyle. They consider themselves to be living a modern lifestyle, as per ancient rules.

36 posted on 05/17/2005 1:08:55 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: mcg1969
It's awfully easy for you to ridicule, but given the Pentateuch, what would you expect them to do instead: just ignore the ones that seemed ambiguous and figure out ways to work around the others?

One can always follow Reform Judiasm, then get criticized on FR for that. This is one of those no win discussions which really centers around respect, which is there or isn't.

37 posted on 05/17/2005 1:09:24 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't think the red-tiled roofs are as sturdy as my asbestos one, Palestinian refugee)
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To: cyborg
The Law was dictated by God, and written down by Moses in the Pentateuch.

That is the extent of my rabbinical knowledge. :0)

38 posted on 05/17/2005 1:10:05 PM PDT by Skooz (Property Taxes are Immoral)
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To: Hank Rearden

Well, I asked someone else the same question: it's awfully easy for you to ridicule, but given the Pentateuch, what would you expect them to do instead: just ignore the ones that seemed ambiguous (or undesirable) and figure out ways to work around the others?

If so, the American Episcopal church would love to have you!


39 posted on 05/17/2005 1:10:37 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: cyborg
I thought the 'oral torah' was written by the rabbis or 'sages'.

The Oral Torah is said to have been handed down by God at Sinai with the written Torah. It was finally written down, as the Jews became too widely dispersed for oral tradition to be relied on.

40 posted on 05/17/2005 1:10:38 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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