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Frigidaire Ovens With the Sabbath Mode Feature (G*d is in my oven)
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Posted on 05/17/2005 12:34:50 PM PDT by FoxPro

Please be aware that there are restrictions in the use of ovens and stoves on the Sabbath and Holidays. If you are unfamiliar with the laws of keeping food warm on the Sabbath or cooking on the Holidays, please call your Rabbi. Please note that when the Holiday and Sabbath coincide, the Sabbath laws prevail. See your owner's manual for instructions on operating the Sabbath mode. Before first use of a new oven be sure to wash the racks and interior of the oven thoroughly with warm water and soap to remove any coating oil.

COOKTOPS:

On the Sabbath, a gas flame or electric heat may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off.

On the Sabbath, a "blech" should be used to cover the flame in addition to covering the controls of the cooktop. For the gas burners and coiled electric burners, use a standard "blech". The manufacturer does not recommend putting a "blech" on the glass electric cooktop surface. Instead, just the controls should be covered.

On the Holidays, a gas flame or electric heat may not be initiated or turned completely off. For gas cooktops, raise and lower the temperature as required for cooking. For electric cooktops adjusting the temperature is permitted at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).

During a power failure, gas cooktops will remain on, whereas electric cooktops will shut off and remain off when the power returns.

The glass electric cooktops cannot be kashered for Passover. For the rest of the year, be sure to wipe the cooking surface clean between meat and dairy use.

OVENS:

The oven temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the oven controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)

All food should be placed in the oven before the Sabbath begins, since none may be placed in the oven during the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, the oven door may only be opened once, all the food removed, and then closed. On the Holidays, the oven door may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.

On the Holidays, the temperature may be adjusted (but not initiated or turned off) at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).

These ovens have a timed bake feature in the Sabbath mode. This feature can only be initiated before the Sabbath/Holiday. Once timed bake goes off, the oven cannot be used again for that Sabbath/Holiday.

These ovens have a delay start feature in the Sabbath mode. For use on the Sabbath, all food must be in the oven before the Sabbath begins.

After recovery from a power failure, all these ovens will stay off. They will remain in the Sabbath mode, however, there will be no cooking capability.

WARMING DRAWERS:

The drawer temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the drawer controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)

Food should be placed in the warming drawer before the Sabbath begins, as in a regular oven, since none may be placed in the drawer during the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, the drawer may only be opened once, all the food removed and then closed. On the Holidays, the drawer may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.

On the Holidays, raising the temperature is not permitted because there is no indication when power is on to the heating elements. Lowering the temperature is permitted when necessary for food preparation.

If the power fails when the warming drawer is ON, when the power returns, the drawer will return to its previous ON setting.

BAKE-N-WARM™ OVENS:

The oven temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the oven controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)

Food should be placed in the Bake-n-Warm™ oven before the Sabbath begins, since none may be placed in the oven during the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, the oven door may only be opened once, all the food removed and then closed. On the Holidays, the oven door may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.

On the Holidays, the temperature may be adjusted (but not initiated or turned off) at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).

After recovery from a power failure, these Bake & Warm™ ovens will stay off.


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To: FoxPro

Can EZ-Bake ovens be kashered?


41 posted on 05/17/2005 1:10:43 PM PDT by doctor noe
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To: Skooz

I must be getting the torahs confused. Wouldn't be the first time I'm confused at all :D


42 posted on 05/17/2005 1:10:52 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: SJackson

You are apparently right.


43 posted on 05/17/2005 1:11:20 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

So what's the name of the book that orthodox Jews say has all the rules?


44 posted on 05/17/2005 1:11:52 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: SJackson
Actually the prohibition on making a fire on the Sabbath is a Commandment

I don't think so. The committee came up with "fire = work". At least I didn't find a reference to fire as work in Leviticus or Deuteronomy.

46 posted on 05/17/2005 1:13:49 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Yehuda

No one has to be orthodox if they don't want to. There are people quite happy with the orthodox lifestyle. I'll say that it's very hard for someone to join that life if they've not grown up in it.


47 posted on 05/17/2005 1:13:51 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: FoxPro
1) What does this: "The glass electric cooktops cannot be kashered for Passover" mean?

2) What's with the "blech"? Is that a means of reminding folks not to use the burner, or a way of using the burner that stays within the "no work on Sabbath" rule?

48 posted on 05/17/2005 1:14:27 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: cyborg
So what's the name of the book that orthodox Jews say has all the rules?

The Talmud is the written version of the Oral Torah, if that's what you mean.

49 posted on 05/17/2005 1:14:37 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

Thank you! I was trying to remember the name since I read this thread. Thanks.


50 posted on 05/17/2005 1:15:46 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Hank Rearden

This all comes from wanting to avoid even the slightest shadow of impropriety. You can find similar behavior in Congress. And they still manage to be improper out the kazoo.


51 posted on 05/17/2005 1:16:53 PM PDT by johnb838 (Liberalism = Leninism.... Liberalism = Bolshevism)
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To: Hank Rearden
Mass silliness.

<muslim mode> AAAYYYYEEEEEEEE!!!!!

Oh, you just insulted my beliefs! You have HYOOO-MEEEL-EEE-AYTED me! You have ridiculed the Holy Torah!

Just for that, I will get all my neighbors together to riot, rampage and mass murder for days on end. </muslim mode off>

Takes deep breath.

Why automatically ridicule something just because you don't understand it?

I wonder what the Jerusalem hospitals' ER procedures are on the Sabbath? Can the emergency doctors do anything? Do ambulances even pull up to the doors, or is that considered "work"?

<sabbath mode on> Israeli hospitals operate at full capacity 24/7. There are many excellent Shomer Shabbat hospitals in Israel, the most well-known is Laniado Hospital of Netanya.

52 posted on 05/17/2005 1:18:31 PM PDT by Alouette (Muslims bite the hand that feeds them, and kiss the boot that kicks them.)
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To: AppyPappy
I don't think so. The committee came up with "fire = work". At least I didn't find a reference to fire as work in Leviticus or Deuteronomy.

Fire clearly relates to work as well

Exodus 35:1-3 1. Moses called the whole community of the children of Israel to assemble, and he said to them: "These are the things that the Lord commanded to make. 2. Six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have sanctity, a day of complete rest to the Lord; whoever performs work thereon [on this day] shall be put to death. 3. You shall not kindle fire in any of your dwelling places on the Sabbath day."

54 posted on 05/17/2005 1:20:54 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't think the red-tiled roofs are as sturdy as my asbestos one, Palestinian refugee)
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To: cyborg

"Oral" meaning, G-d, Blessed is He, taught certain laws to Moses versus writing them down. this is the same process we all went through in school, (those that went to school, not sure everyone in this thread did) that is text book and class instruction to understand a subject. the Bible would have been too large to handle had all the implementation been written down. Sjackson is quite correct to say kindling a flame is a Torah/Bible prohibition on Sabbath. The prohibitions themselves where not clearly delineated in the text are based upon the necessary activities needed to build the tabernacle. The lessons are primarily found in Exodus where the instructions for building the Tabernacle are found and where the constant refrain is also found, {paraphrasing} "but do not do this on Sabbath". Therefore, even the very act of building the dwelling for G-d to reside with the Jews in the wilderness and where He would meet with Moses to give instruction, as important as this task was, does not override Sabbath restrictions.

Sabbath restrictions are to remember that in 6 days G-d created the Heavens and the Earth. He stopped creating on the 7th day. We too are commanded to stop all "creative" activity on the 7th day (which also happens to be the day called Saturday thanks to the Romans and not Sunday). The basis of all these laws restricting actions on Sabbath is to keep Jews from doing creative acts like our G-d, the creator of the universe did on the Sabbath.


55 posted on 05/17/2005 1:21:16 PM PDT by APRPEH (genocide and protection of the establishment are core priorities of the UN)
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To: Alouette

I do know that in Williamsburg, I can find the most beautiful hats and skirts. No shopping mall sells nice skirts anymore. It's such a quiet area and although the people aren't conversational, it's really...quiet. Not even on Saturday.


57 posted on 05/17/2005 1:22:14 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: lifelongsoldier
What is the rationale behind allowing you to move every stick of furniture in your house on the Sabbath, but not allowing you to go outside the house with a handkerchief in your pocket?

The rationale is that your house is a reshut hayachid (private dwelling) while the street is a reshut ha'rabim (public place) and one is not allowed to carry in a public place.

As for moving around every stick of furniture in the house, nobody does that.

58 posted on 05/17/2005 1:22:26 PM PDT by Alouette (Muslims bite the hand that feeds them, and kiss the boot that kicks them.)
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To: APRPEH

What's the difference between the Torah and Talmud? Isn't the talmud supposed to be a further explanation of the Torah and especially about things like this thread topic?


59 posted on 05/17/2005 1:23:31 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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