Posted on 05/17/2005 12:34:50 PM PDT by FoxPro
Please be aware that there are restrictions in the use of ovens and stoves on the Sabbath and Holidays. If you are unfamiliar with the laws of keeping food warm on the Sabbath or cooking on the Holidays, please call your Rabbi. Please note that when the Holiday and Sabbath coincide, the Sabbath laws prevail. See your owner's manual for instructions on operating the Sabbath mode. Before first use of a new oven be sure to wash the racks and interior of the oven thoroughly with warm water and soap to remove any coating oil.
COOKTOPS:
On the Sabbath, a gas flame or electric heat may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off.
On the Sabbath, a "blech" should be used to cover the flame in addition to covering the controls of the cooktop. For the gas burners and coiled electric burners, use a standard "blech". The manufacturer does not recommend putting a "blech" on the glass electric cooktop surface. Instead, just the controls should be covered.
On the Holidays, a gas flame or electric heat may not be initiated or turned completely off. For gas cooktops, raise and lower the temperature as required for cooking. For electric cooktops adjusting the temperature is permitted at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).
During a power failure, gas cooktops will remain on, whereas electric cooktops will shut off and remain off when the power returns.
The glass electric cooktops cannot be kashered for Passover. For the rest of the year, be sure to wipe the cooking surface clean between meat and dairy use.
OVENS:
The oven temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the oven controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)
All food should be placed in the oven before the Sabbath begins, since none may be placed in the oven during the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, the oven door may only be opened once, all the food removed, and then closed. On the Holidays, the oven door may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.
On the Holidays, the temperature may be adjusted (but not initiated or turned off) at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).
These ovens have a timed bake feature in the Sabbath mode. This feature can only be initiated before the Sabbath/Holiday. Once timed bake goes off, the oven cannot be used again for that Sabbath/Holiday.
These ovens have a delay start feature in the Sabbath mode. For use on the Sabbath, all food must be in the oven before the Sabbath begins.
After recovery from a power failure, all these ovens will stay off. They will remain in the Sabbath mode, however, there will be no cooking capability.
WARMING DRAWERS:
The drawer temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the drawer controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)
Food should be placed in the warming drawer before the Sabbath begins, as in a regular oven, since none may be placed in the drawer during the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, the drawer may only be opened once, all the food removed and then closed. On the Holidays, the drawer may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.
On the Holidays, raising the temperature is not permitted because there is no indication when power is on to the heating elements. Lowering the temperature is permitted when necessary for food preparation.
If the power fails when the warming drawer is ON, when the power returns, the drawer will return to its previous ON setting.
BAKE-N-WARM™ OVENS:
The oven temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the oven controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)
Food should be placed in the Bake-n-Warm™ oven before the Sabbath begins, since none may be placed in the oven during the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, the oven door may only be opened once, all the food removed and then closed. On the Holidays, the oven door may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.
On the Holidays, the temperature may be adjusted (but not initiated or turned off) at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).
After recovery from a power failure, these Bake & Warm™ ovens will stay off.
Yeah, I went with pre-lit plastic last year.
The prohibition against work takes the focus off worldly demands life and allows a little family time. It may seem silly to have to cook food ahead of time and unscrew the light in the refrigerator, but it is in the spirit in which these things are done which helps define Judaism as a faith and Jews as a people.
I am all for the "down-time", I just think that some of the rules go a little bit over-board. For example, if you set the ovens to go on and/or off at certain times, are you really observing the law, or are you just sort of "legalistically" avoiding it like when Al Gore gave his "no controlling legal authority" line? It seems to me that "rigging" the game so that you get to cook, but pat yourself on the back for obeying the law isn't really very productive.
No, not at all, any reasonable person might have taken it in bad taste.
>>its the creative act of making light and cooking which matters.<<
I thought it was "work" that mattered. I thought it was all under the concept of "day of rest."
Again, Exodus:
35:2 "In six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there must be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of complete rest to the Lord. Anyone who does work on it will be put to death."
Yet the covenant, of which that was a part, was completed by Jesus. Not done away with. And when Jesus was accused of working on the sabbath by healing, he said to the very Jews that condemned him specifically BECAUSE he worked on the sabath: (Matthew 12:11)
He said to them, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out?"
Fact is, they were nailed on this statement. They obeyed the sabbath "unless."...
I always thought the Talmud was essentially what I would call the Old Covenant or Old Testament plus those darned Macabees.
And that the Talmud (several versions I think depending on where those Jews were at the time?) was the work of rabbinical scholars which in some versions contains fairly modern Ashkhenzaim European contributions like from the late 1800s.
In any event, I think most traditions should be preserved and I admire those who try.
Many Americans these days live to destroy tradition sadly.
What is the old tradition of the bondage on the arm and 10 commandments hanging in front of the eye from a head contraption? My old buddy who went uber-Orthodox started with that.
OTOH, it parallels quite neatly with the manna in the desert. God gave enough manna for one day and it rotted after one day. The exception was on the day before the Sabbath, when God sent manna that was enough for and lasted for two days.
The parallel here is that God allows for food to be prepared a day ahead of the Sabbath and kept in such a way to preserve it well for the Sabbath. As such, it's not "'rigging' the game," but actually following God's lead.
The have also been more recent commentaries by various great rabbis that are considered important enough to be included with the Talmud.
You are being very rude. Remember, Jesus was born into a very ORTHODOX JEWISH family and observed all the Jewish Laws. If fact He was a Rabbi. All His disciples were jews (with maybe one exception)they were observant of the Laws
of Moses
Your understanding of the Bible is skewed by thinking as a 21th century Westerner. It would be very beneficial to you to understand Jewish customs and thought and read the New Testament with that in mind.
same thing. work is defined different ways by different people. the bottom line is that the Torah, that is the law given by G-d to the Jews, defines clearly what is "work". Those things that are explained as "work" have in common a concept of creative labor. see my earlier post about work being "defined" in the Torah as the tasks needed to build the Tabernacle. Incidentally, we hold that Torah law trumps everything afterward. a statement (if it exists) from a prophet which contradicts Torah as it relates to law is irrelevant and not followed. so much the more so for anything recorded in someone else's name who is not accepted as a prophet. the discussion about Sabbath and Kosher laws requires looking at their sources and practical application. they are as relevant today for Jews as "do not murder", etc. they are not up for debate.
Tefillin?
Those are the tefelin. It is not the 10 commandments, but the Shma the most important Hebrew prayer, that is in them. This is from Deut. 6:4-9 with 6:8 being the origin othe tefelin. (JPS translation.)
4 HEAR, O ISRAEL: THE HaShem OUR GOD, THE HaShem IS ONE.
5 And thou shalt love HaShem thy G-d with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be upon thy heart;
7 and thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thy house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thy hand, and they shall be for frontlets between thine eyes.
9 And thou shalt write them upon the door-posts of thy house, and upon thy gates.
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The /sarcasm is unnecessary. Wonder how many of the mockers mock Reform Jews, who have this issue "right" in the mockers terms, in different contexts. These threads have been running about one a day lately, it would be a popular forum.
As I noted back in 37 One can always follow Reform Judiasm, then get criticized on FR for that. This is one of those no win discussions which really centers around respect, which is there or isn't.
Don't act like a Holy Roller now....
Never thought of that. Glad I didn't say it :>)
See post 54. You stopped a verse short :>)
To an old Mississippi Prod boy like me, I must confess it was strange the first time I saw that giddyup.
We were in Belo Horizonte Brasil and has been out catting around the night before (;>) and when I woke up in our digs, he had all that stuff on (and a prayer cloth) and was facing Jerusalem praying and rocking up a storm back and forth.
I had known him for years and been all over the world debauching in his company and that was the first time he gave a hint where he was headed in the future.
I think it was sort of contrition for the night before.
Suffice it to say, Christians generally believe that righteousness is attained by believing the correct thing, Jews find righteousness in doing the correct thing. As an agnostic, I just make it all up as I go along.
Can't we all just get along, and save our ridicule for Islamic beliefs/actions?
Putting out products with "Sabbath mode" to willfully circumvent the touching of the controls seems awfully silly, and most likely seems so to G-d as well.
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