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Putin Calls Estonian, Latvian Territorial Claims “Stupid”
Moscow News ^ | 10.05.2005

Posted on 05/10/2005 1:26:08 PM PDT by lizol

Putin Calls Estonian, Latvian Territorial Claims “Stupid”

Russian president Vladimir Putin said Russia is ready to sign border treaties with Estonia and Latvia but without “stupid territorial claims.”

He called “nonsensical” a situation when “in Europe, in the 21st century, a country presents territorial claims for another and wants to sign a border treaty simultaneously,” RIA Novosti news agency reported.

Speaking at a press conference after the Russian-EU summit, Putin said Russia is ready to “wait till our colleagues ripen for the real work and are ready to sign the documents.”

He said he charged the Foreign Ministry with signing the border treaty with Estonia. Speaking to an Estonian reporter, Putin said “we are ready to do that although your leadership made an erroneous decision, in my opinion, not to arrive in Moscow (for the celebration of the Victory Day). We will not disturb relationship and force the situation.”

Putin said that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia lost “dozens of thousands of its original territories” and supposed Latvia does not want to “deal everything again in Europe.” He reminded that the Soviet Council of the People’s Deputies had already condemned the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact in 1989. “Do you want us to do this every year? We think the question is decided. We have already said about it, and it is enough.”

Putin added that Estonia became an independent state after a “deal between Germany and Russia” in 1918. Another deal of 1939 brought the countries back to Russia, he said, calling Baltic states “small change” in those deals. “We will not say if it was good or bad. Those are historic facts as well as the use of slave labor in America,” Putin said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: batlics; easterneurope; estonia; latvia; putin; russia
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1 posted on 05/10/2005 1:26:09 PM PDT by lizol
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2 posted on 05/10/2005 1:26:46 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol
"Those are historic facts as well as the use of slave labor in America"

Or the much more recent use of slave labor in the USSR, used in building the White Sea Canal and other "great" Soviet achievements.

3 posted on 05/10/2005 1:27:55 PM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: lizol

Slave labor in America? What does he call serfdom!?

He is really losing it.


4 posted on 05/10/2005 1:29:43 PM PDT by TFine80
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To: Numbers Guy
Yep. Kolyma too. http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/w/x/wxk116/sjk/kolyma.html
How about the murder of 25,000 Poles in Katyn forest? http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/
Or perhaps the suppression of the Hungarian revolt against the communists in 1956?
etc. All quite a bit more recent than slavery in the US.
5 posted on 05/10/2005 1:43:55 PM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: lizol
He called “nonsensical” a situation when “in Europe, in the 21st century, a country presents territorial claims for another and wants to sign a border treaty simultaneously,” RIA Novosti news agency reported.

Perhaps Latvia should unofficially but also non-secretly supports some little Russian breakaway republic like Putin is doing in Georgia and Moldova. This is 21-century development Mr. Putin??
6 posted on 05/10/2005 1:45:31 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: TFine80

Sounds like he found one of Yeltsin's stashes of vodka. Before lunch.


7 posted on 05/10/2005 1:53:24 PM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Lukasz
I'm really beginning to wonder where that Putin comes from. Maybe he's an alien or something.

All this BS he's spreading day by day is just like not from this Earth.
8 posted on 05/10/2005 2:04:43 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol
After WW II, the Soviets forcibly redrew many of the borders of the Easter European countries in order to maintain a tighter grip over them. They even went so far as to adjust the borders to ensure they had a common border with Czechoslovakia. The Polish border was moved further west with parts of eastern Poland being incorporated in the USSR and Poland's western border being moved to the Oder/Nesser line. Russia did this to all of the countries in Eastern Europe.
9 posted on 05/10/2005 2:05:13 PM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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Putin Calls Estonian, Latvian Territorial Claims “Stupid”

This is why Russia lose friends, maintaing relations with dictators and ignoring human rights of those countries. Belarus will be next for Russia to lose. Let Poland have another buffer state. :)
10 posted on 05/10/2005 2:33:06 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: Wiz
And that would be a full "chain" separating Poland from the Big Brother.

The idea of Marshall Jozef Pilsudski would be finally fulfilled.
11 posted on 05/10/2005 2:38:13 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

It's just that Putin's mentallity is no different from 19th Century, when imperialism was common in Europe. France and maybe few other Europe countries still have this mentality too, called the old Europe. These people are also still brainwashed by Marx's and Kant's ideology mixed with colonialism. There must be some way to educate them so their mentallity and civilization will match America and the New Europe of the 21st Century.


12 posted on 05/10/2005 2:42:35 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: Wiz

Hmmm, I wish it was possible, but I'm pessimistic about it


13 posted on 05/10/2005 2:47:04 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

Whatever the past wrongs, redrawing the internationally accepted borders is dangerous. If somebody dislikes their current borders, then why others should like their borders that were often subject to change through war, conquest and other non-amicable means ?


14 posted on 05/10/2005 3:08:58 PM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: sergey1973

But are they really accepted? I don't really know the issue, just posted an article, which I found interesting.


15 posted on 05/10/2005 3:18:24 PM PDT by lizol
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To: Lukasz

Perhaps Latvia should unofficially but also non-secretly supports some little Russian breakaway republic like Putin is doing in Georgia and Moldova.==

They already did it. Some estonian sniper women was caught in Chechnya lately.


16 posted on 05/10/2005 3:19:10 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: Wiz

Putin Calls Estonian, Latvian Territorial Claims “Stupid”

This is why Russia lose friends, maintaing relations with dictators and ignoring human rights of those countries. ==

DO you mean that Russia has to support territorial claim against her?

Belarus will be next for Russia to lose. Let Poland have another buffer state. :) ==

Let give to Beloruss town Wilno. Let give to Germany town Kenigsberg. Let us recreate Estern Prussia.


17 posted on 05/10/2005 3:22:05 PM PDT by RusIvan
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"What is wrong in Moscow; Putin is living in stay of amnesia. Putin needs Raphacholin or Walidol or maybe Nerwosol. This is absolutely ironic on his part to even touch XXI century; which allows him to by pass XX century history. I hope Putin would take a deep breath and another deep breath and hopefully Raphacholin would help his liver from drinking too much."


Dzieki wam wszystkim/Thank you all my husband do have had write


18 posted on 05/10/2005 5:28:40 PM PDT by anonymoussierra (Domine Deus, amo te super omnia proximum meum propter te, quia tu es summum, infinitum, et perfectis)
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To: RusIvan; sergey1973; All

Thank you all

"I also forget something, redrawing maps brings old wounds back and creates serious problems. Problems we should not dealt with it; rather concentrate on something else something more demonic and which should draw our attention to it."







Thank you all


19 posted on 05/10/2005 5:34:07 PM PDT by anonymoussierra (Domine Deus, amo te super omnia proximum meum propter te, quia tu es summum, infinitum, et perfectis)
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20 posted on 05/10/2005 6:28:23 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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