I'll stick with my passport, thanks.
I already have one. It's called a Social Security Card.
Yeah sounds like the old Government is on its way to controlling the masses at even greater lengths. I really dont see a need for this just lock down the mexican borders if you want less illegals in here. But they wont do that...too much logic in that lets just pass a national ID ... any well minded 4th grader not brainwashed by socialist schools would come to conclusion of border security so why not congress. I got the distinct impression it was illegals they were combatting with this bill and not terrorists.
You have a database identifier for EVERY transaction you do- what would be so bad about having one number that you could use everywhere?
I am for it
If my bank uses 123 as my number and my credit card uses 456 what difference does it make if they BOTH switch to 8910
Just because I know your number does not mean I can invade your privacy- you need ACCESS into the database- and you wont have any more access than you have to my bank right now. (Yes, I know it happens- but theft happens on the street too- it is the EXCEPTION not the rule)
And the 'mark of the beast' is only if they start implainting it.
The biggest problem is that it increases the propensity for harassment while decreasing security. For example, the nomenklatura may decide to set up checkpoints at state borders, or county lines, or city limits. Maybe, one would have to swipe the card to check into motel or withdraw money from a bank or buy a gun or ammunition or allergy medicine. The cost of compliance is real.
The gain in security is vacuous. Two obvious problems arise. First, the card becomes the person; steal (counterfeit, etc.) the card, and become the creature. Second, as the system must accomodate undercover narks (and CIA and FBI and IRS agents), false IDs will obtain from the beginning. This provides an easy entry point.
When technology reaches the point where we can have a reliable biometric ID system, which is tied to an easily accessible database containing limited info (just enough to actually tell people apart), and which therefore wouldn't require carrying any cards, or provide the opportunity for forged cards to be used, then I want it immediately. Because until we have that, my vote is being diluted by all sorts of fraudulent votes from illegal aliens and multiple-vote casters, and my economy is being trashed by endless illegal alien workers and endless scam artists, and my security is being compromised by all sorts of dangerous unidentifiable people (terrorists, violent criminals, etc.) living in our midst and interacting with us and our families. I don't need freedom from being identified badly enough to give up my vote, my financial freedom, and my physical freedom.
"There are other reasons to dislike the Real ID act. It explicitly places the burden of proof on people applying for asylum status. "There is no presumption of credibility," the bill reads. The immigration official deciding a case can ask for evidence, and if a person can't get evidence because it lies outside the U.S., "the inability to obtain corroborating evidence does not excuse the applicant from meeting the applicant's burden of proof." And the bill limits judicial review of immigration decisions."
The immigration issue yet again! And the writer views the fact that national IDs will mitigate immigration as a problem!
Can someone please explain to me why it is incumbent on the US and the American people to somehow accept and pay for every immigrant from every corner of the globe that wants to come here to escape their private hell-holes created by their own people in their own backwater countries? And this bulls**t idea is touted like its some sort of article of faith enshrined in the Constitution! It's not! If implementing national IDs puts a stop to the unending flood of wetbacks and stowaways, in the multi-millions, that continue to steal their way into this country, then I say, let's do it!
All the numbers start with 616!~}
19 Arab terrorists crashed commercial airliners into our buildings, yet we're the ones that have to prove we live here? No thanks.
The Nazis said, "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" -- and they were right! The trouble is knowing, in advance, what it is you need to hide! The Jews did not realize, until it was too late, that they needed to hide the fact that they were Jews, for instance.
Fearing government is not paranoia, it is the only safe course. The question to ask, when government wants more power, is not "Why not?"
Big game hunting is no time to be playing catch-and-release.
Let me get this straight:
We let essentially everyone into our country; we give them visas, drivers' licenses, food stamps, medical care, educations, flight training and Social Security. Even after they fly jets into skyscrapers, we renew their right to stay here legally. But this will all end with national id cards? I must be missing something.
Ping my friend.
If all it's used for is flying a TSA governed government gestapo airplane, checking an Abrams out of the armory or visiting the NSA, I have no problem with it.
If everyone relies on one database and credential for all ID purposes what happens when a mole gets in and starts giving them to his buddies? And he will. Just had a nice ring going in my state at the DMV. Have had the same thing in several other states recently.
What we have now is a layered system. Drivers license look funny, where's your SS card? Credit cards, birth certificate and so on. We've got plenty of systems now. What we need is a government that pays attention.
Is a lot harder to monkey with 50 different state systems than one federal one. And God help you if the feds make a mistake as anyone who has had problems with his SSN can tell you.