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What's so scary about a national ID?
The Village Voice ^ | May 6, 2005 | Jarrett Murphy

Posted on 05/10/2005 11:21:59 AM PDT by yatros from flatwater

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To: amosmoses

Saw that objection coming.

The only time we've ever had to look to government to draft an army the wars weren't declared. Every other time we've raised them, there were people lining up to serve. Voluntary works. Look at the relative bang for the buck, and it becomes apparent that a voluntary force is generally superior to a conscript one.

The same is true for public vs. private policing. I'd hazard a guess that more crime is deterred by rent-a-cops than the city's finest any day of the week.


41 posted on 05/10/2005 6:33:52 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (The South will rise again? Hell, we ever get states' rights firmly back in place, the CSA has risen!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
When technology reaches the point where we can have a reliable biometric ID system, which is tied to an easily accessible database containing limited info (just enough to actually tell people apart), and which therefore wouldn't require carrying any cards, or provide the opportunity for forged cards to be used, then I want it immediately.

Biometric data cannot be kept secret, nor can it be changed if compromised. It is only useful in situations where everyone who has, or can claim to have, scanning apparatus is trustworthy. For something like the entrance to Fort Knox, this is a reasonable assumption. For something like making credit purchases, it is not.

42 posted on 05/10/2005 7:25:02 PM PDT by supercat (Sorry--this tag line is out of order.)
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To: supercat

Biometric data relies on the person being present, do it couldn't be applied to routine credit purchases, which are often done via Internet or phone. Convictions based on biometric data would obviously be subject to verification of identity as part of the court proceedings, so nobody's going to end up doing prison time or getting deported as a result of some airline having a faulty scanner. And if once in a while a legitimate voter got denied the opportunity to vote, that would hardly be worse than the present situation, where there is virtually no control over who votes or how many times.

What would change is that repeat offenders could be readily identified and treated as such, without the endless fake identities and patchwork of ineffective ID systems that currently exist. When a guy who was convicted of aggravated assault as Joe Smith applies for a job at a nursing home as Tom Brown, claiming to have a clean record, your elderly mother won't get beaten up for wetting her bed, because "Tom Brown" will be quickly identified as the thug he really is, and not get hired to work with vulnerable elderly people (and unscrupulous nursing home operators won't have the "we didn't know" excuse to shield them from liability). And employers, both those who attempt to be law-abiding, and those who've been relying on the "we didn't know" excuse, will have an easy way to identify people who are legally allowed to work here.


43 posted on 05/11/2005 5:03:26 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: rightwinggoth

Only 21% of Americans own passports.


44 posted on 05/11/2005 5:09:21 AM PDT by kabar
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To: amosmoses
If I were to make a list of the legitimate purposes of government, it would be a short list. Of course defense is one of them but controlling our lives is not.

Government is an invention of man. It is not a force of nature that we simply must accept, like a hurricane or an earthquake. Government was developed out of anarchy because it can make us stronger. But government is a weapon, the embodiment of force, and must be tightly chained or it may destroy us. The road from anarchy to tyranny is a subtle transition from common rights to central power. Even small steps toward tyranny, even when necessary, still carry us closer to it. It is not something I take lightly.
45 posted on 05/12/2005 9:52:44 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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