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And about bleeding well time, too.

History has tended to whitewash FDR's role in forcing millions of people into Communist subjugation, which was worse than Nazi tyranny (at least it killed a lot more people.)

Yalta effectively ratified the imperialist borders agreed to in the Stalin-Hitler Pact, with the support of FDR.

It was also after the Yalta agreement that the system of gulags really got going. We agreed to send Soviet POWs we rescued from the Nazis directly to Siberia.

This is a shameful chapter, and I am glad to see President Bush have the courage to say so. It's about time someone in a position like his did this.

1 posted on 05/09/2005 10:16:09 PM PDT by TBP
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Go Dubya!


2 posted on 05/09/2005 10:16:52 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I'm not nearklym drunk enough tom deal with it. - FReeper Wormwood, 4/18/05)
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Amen! I lay much of the blame for the degradation of our Nation directly at FDR's feet. His socialistic policies and heavy-handed governmental actions set the course for what we see from government today.

If George Washington had been like FDR, we would be ruled by a king today.


3 posted on 05/09/2005 10:20:46 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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Good call, Dub.

The (not-so) funny thing is, how many people excuse FDR's role in creating the Cold War while slamming Reagan, Rumsfeld, etc, and America in general, for the involvement with Iraq against Iran in the 80s?


5 posted on 05/09/2005 10:25:53 PM PDT by MitchellC
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Yalta was a failure and it was Alger Hiss who orchestrated the whole mess. Nixon exposed him and the left still hates Nixon to this day for that.

I'm very happy GWB denounced Yalta, it deserves nothing less

6 posted on 05/09/2005 10:26:50 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( LIBERALISM IS FOR INVERTEBRATES)
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Well now he's done it. That cowboy in the white House daring to challenge Social security was bad enough. But now he's going after their icon for his role in the tyranical reach of communism.

Mark it. G.W.'s declared war on the very foundation of the current Democrat Party. Bulldozers are preparing to break ground and the nuts are chaining themselves to the condemned building. WTG Mr. President!

Latvian President Vaira Vike-Freiberga presented Bush with the nation's top honor, the Three-Star Order, calling him a "signal fighter of freedom and democracy

Nice to see our President respected for a change.

You can talk about everything else, Watergate and everything else. It was Hiss. Nixon was despised by the American left because what he did to Alger Hiss. He is exposed an agent.

Nixon did experience some partial redemption at Rather's Fall.

Funny how the people that claim they support this country, that claim to be patriotic freedom loving souls...tend to always object when communists, fascists, Theocratic, third world bullies and secular tyrannies are confronted. Makes any person with common sense wonder.

8 posted on 05/09/2005 10:42:34 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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Putin, writing in a French newspaper Saturday, said the Soviet Union already made amends in 1989 and his country will not answer the demands of Baltic states for further repentance. "Such pretensions are useless," Putin wrote in Le Figaro.

Putin would reply in a French newspaper, of course.

Yalta effectively ratified the imperialist borders agreed to in the Stalin-Hitler Pact, with the support of FDR.

Yes, and Roosevelt was a dying man in Feb. 1945 at Yalta, with Alger Hiss, an communist plant, as his right-hand adviser.

10 posted on 05/09/2005 10:43:13 PM PDT by xJones
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Bush Criticizes FDR Over Yalta

Oh. Nevermind.

12 posted on 05/09/2005 10:46:11 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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I'm glad to hear Bush say this.

One of our weaker moments.....over Sir Winston's vehement objections at the time it might be added.

FDR....a bit of a collectivist himself was sick and tired I fear and not using good judgement.

And Hiss (and others) was spoonfeeding him.


14 posted on 05/09/2005 10:47:46 PM PDT by wardaddy ( Lucchese Belt Raised)
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This has been a very common view of the far right for many years CRIPES! How "far right" does one have to be to think that Yalta was blundered? Please show me ONE PERSON who isn't a socialist that thinks Yalta was an unmitigated success.
15 posted on 05/09/2005 10:53:26 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (BUSH KNEW!!! ...that democracy would take hold in the Middle East)
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Good one. However, it is also worth noting the Munich pact by Britain and France, that delivered Checkoslovakia to Hitler and actually started the World War II.


31 posted on 05/10/2005 3:04:24 AM PDT by DYR
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Bush apologizes now when its convenient, then he'll sign a "Yalta" agreement with Mexico -- that's another story.
It would be interesting to see how people a 100 years from now will view WWII. Given the current state of the world and where its headed, WWII will probably not be viewed as the great success we have viewed it. Patton was right, the Soviets needed to be defeated before the war was really over (And the communist defeated in China too). The communist won WWII-- great job FDR and Truman. The should carve the profiles of FDR and Truman into the side of a mountain in Russia and China.
32 posted on 05/10/2005 3:30:47 AM PDT by usa1776
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Latvian President Vaira Vike-Freiberga presented Bush with the nation's top honor, the Three-Star Order, calling him a "signal fighter of freedom and democracy in the world."

Yes, President Bush has done well indeed. And his forthright denunciation of Yalta will stand him well in history books.

In contrast, President Clinton, like Mr. Chamberlain, will be forever associated with the appeasement of dictators.

I can only imagine what Senator Kerry's embarrassing speech would have been had he been elected, but I believe it would have contained nothing but praise for Stalin, for FDR, and for Yalta.

33 posted on 05/10/2005 4:15:05 AM PDT by snowsislander
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"We will not repeat the mistakes of other generations, appeasing or excusing tyranny, and sacrificing freedom in the vain pursuit of stability,"

Unless, of course, the tyrants are on our side like in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Pakistan, Egypt, etc., etc.

34 posted on 05/10/2005 4:18:05 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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I am grateful to President Bush for saying this out loud and in public. Those harmed by the stupidity of FDR needed that as an apology. It is a wonder that they can stand us after what they were put through by one stupid, selfish socialist politician and his communist advisor.

This should be taught to every child in history classes. I hope that this statement will force the issue into history books instead of the cover over that we have had courtesy of media for all these years.


35 posted on 05/10/2005 5:16:49 AM PDT by Spirited (God, Bless America ) ;))
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BTTT!


37 posted on 05/10/2005 5:27:38 AM PDT by PGalt
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"Second-guessing Franklin D. Roosevelt, .."

SECOND GUESSING!!!!?????

Churchill knew what a b@st@rd Stalin was.

Roosevelt just liked "Uncle" Joe. And why not? He had people like Alger Hiss, born-again Commies advisiing him and he was stupid enough to believe them. Stalin was a sadistic megalomaniacal homicidal maniac. He probably butchered more people per unit of time than Hitler ever did.

Roosevelt gave away the shop. WW2 officially started to keep Poland free and what did that nut job Democratic socialist do? He turned it over to Stalin. His policies led to permitting the Russians to capture Berlin and the mass rape of thousands of innocent German civilian women. His policies led to handing over to Stalin's butchers Ukrainian P.O.W.s and even Russian P.O.W.s who were then promptly murdered by that nutjob and his lieutenants.

FDR was one of the most overrated of Presidents - a defective individual who tried unsuccessfully to achieve the glory of his illustrious relative Teddy Roosevelt.


44 posted on 05/10/2005 6:19:08 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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<< Bush Criticizes FDR Over Yalta >>

About time the light of Truth was directed upon the evil perpetrated on this nation and upon the world at large by that evil bastard, [FDR] whose every advisor and aide seems to have been either an active Rudolph-Hess-style Soviet agent and/or to have been in and/or of the Communist Party of America!

[The self-annointing, self-appointing and self-perpetuating descendents of whose bastard offspring still own operate and control all of "our" feral gummint's awful machinery, still make up Foggy Bottom's evil Brahmanas and still clone the mindless morons who comprise our so-called "foreign service." And are most visibly represented among US in such other un-and-anti-American terroristic gangs as the ACLU, ABA, NEA, AARP et al]


52 posted on 05/10/2005 6:41:56 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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"We will not repeat the mistakes of other generations, appeasing or excusing tyranny, and sacrificing freedom in the vain pursuit of stability," the president said.

Hmmmmmm.....Was he talking about FDR's bungling of Eastern Europe, or Social Security...

Much like Hillary!ous likes to compare herself to Eleanor Roosevelt, the darling of the Pink Left, Bush is fairly clearly renouncing the communist past of both the USSR, and the US. (Hopkins, Hiss, FDR....)

56 posted on 05/10/2005 6:47:11 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you dont have to...." ;)
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I' glad the President brought this up: it needed to be said.
In fact, FDR was advised by communists, communist sympathizers and even a "mole" working for the Soviets.


61 posted on 05/10/2005 7:31:40 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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It was also after the Yalta agreement that the system of gulags really got going. We agreed to send Soviet POWs we rescued from the Nazis directly to Siberia.

I don't doubt part of this is true, but not all.
My Russian wife's father was captured at Stalingrad by the Germans, and was a POW until he was liberated by the Americans. He returned to his home in Russia and never spent one day in the gulag. No, he was not a communist. Additionally, he taught his children that Stalin was an evil monster.
65 posted on 05/10/2005 10:17:15 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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