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TANCREDO: This Land Is Whose Land?
LA Times ^ | May 1, 2005 | Thomas G. Tancredo

Posted on 05/01/2005 12:34:30 AM PDT by FairOpinion

I predict that the immigration reform movement is about to score a monumental victory in Congress with the impending passage of "Real ID," a measure that will, among other things, set federal standards for driver's license documents and prohibit states from giving driver's licenses to anyone in this country illegally.

All of which means that Bush must have some other reason for continuing to push his ill-conceived proposal for amnesty for illegal aliens and for turning a blind eye to the dangers of open borders. He appears to be pandering not to Latino voters but to the government of Mexico. Is he so influenced by the corporate advocates for cheap labor that he cannot see the loss of millions of jobs by Latino and black Americans to the unfair competition of illegal labor?

There is now a broad consensus in Congress that border security must be given a high priority. We cannot think seriously about legalizing millions of new "temporary workers" until we are able to control our borders and know who is entering our country and who is leaving.

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Why can't he talk about border security as an issue, without bashing Bush and accusing him of ulterior motives.

Tancredo is a LOSER. As I said before, he is using immigration to make a name for himself and to bash President Bush. No wonder the LA Times is happy to publish his rant.

If he wanted real reforms, he would put the ISSUE above himself, instead of the other way around.

1 posted on 05/01/2005 12:34:31 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

And after Tancredo declares:

"The 'racist' slur won't muzzle the immigration debate, this Colorado congressman argues."


HE plays the race card, when he says this:


"Is he so influenced by the corporate advocates for cheap labor that he cannot see the loss of millions of jobs by Latino and black Americans to the unfair competition of illegal labor? "

I guess he doesn't care about the loss of jobs by white workers, only by Latinos and blacks.


2 posted on 05/01/2005 12:40:15 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

You need a new handle if you're going to prostrate yourself before any man like you're doing. How can you believe you hold a fair opinion while doing that?

Actually there's no such thing as a fair opinion just as there's no such thing as an unbiased one. I wouldn't trust anyone claming either because they would be literally saying that they were too undereducated on the issue to speak on it.


3 posted on 05/01/2005 12:51:09 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Zen Redneck. Take it up with my sensai.)
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To: FairOpinion
Why can't he talk about border security as an issue, without bashing Bush and accusing him of ulterior motives.

Because Bush is pandering to Latino voters, Vicente Fox and corporate America. Mr. Tancredo is simply stating the obvious.

Tancredo is a LOSER. As I said before, he is using immigration to make a name for himself and to bash President Bush.

If you read the entire article closely, Tancredo keeps his eye on the ball and attacks the issue of illegal immigration more than he does Bush. If anything, he's trying to convince Bush against all odds that he needs to wake up and stop turning a blind eye to this huge problem.

If he wanted real reforms, he would put the ISSUE above himself, instead of the other way around.

Oh, give me a break. If you go out to a local shopping mall and ask people who Tom Tancredo is, 90 to 99 percent of the people will look at you with a blank stare. However, if you ask those same people if there's an illegal immigration epidemic in this country that is not being adequately addressed, a strong majority will say YES! I'd say patriots like Tom Tancredo and the Arizona "minutemen" have done an excellent job of putting the issue ahead of their own concerns.

If Tom Tancredo wanted to improve his own political fortunes, he would be spending his time kissing Bush's ass and kissing Karl Rove's ass. That's where the power rests in the GOP and the country. Instead, Tancredo is taking them on at great jeopardy to his political career. Rove and the White House staffers hated Tancredo long before this latest piece in the L.A. Times. They hated him because he dared question Bush's support for illegal immigration.

To them, Tancredo must be just another vigilante.

4 posted on 05/01/2005 12:54:52 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: NewRomeTacitus

Yes, I can see how you and Tancrado just hate GW Bush as president. After all, Al Gore, John Kerry, or Hillary Clinton would be such superior president, right?

Republicans really have a duty to keep attacking President Bush to make it easier for Hillary in 2008, yes, I can see that.

(/sarcasm)


5 posted on 05/01/2005 12:55:08 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell

There was NO need for him to talk about President Bush at all. He could have pointed out the problems of illegal immigration without that. But, as I said, his main point is NOT illegal immigration, it is bashing Bush and attacking Republicans to help Democrats. Or have you forgotten how he spoke out and suggested that DeLay should resign, even if the Dem charges against him are totally bogus.

He gives a bad name to activists, who want to stop illegal immigration.


6 posted on 05/01/2005 12:58:04 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Before I call in the sovereigntists I want to ask you why you posted this article. Since you have gone out of your way to attack border defense in the past I have to assume you posted this article hoping to draw in angry citizens with the goal of getting them banned.

How does doing that move conservatism forward?


7 posted on 05/01/2005 1:00:54 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (My sensai has left the building.)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

"you have gone out of your way to attack border defense in the past "

You must have me confused with someone.

I am a firm believer in well secured border and stopping the flow of illegal immigration.

I just object to people using that as a club to beat up on President Bush with it, people who didn't say a peep about it during the last twenty years it's been going on and has escalated to its current level.


8 posted on 05/01/2005 1:04:56 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Yes, I can see how you and Tancrado just hate GW Bush as president. After all, Al Gore, John Kerry, or Hillary Clinton would be such superior president, right?

What a pathetic response in this "newbies" opinion.

9 posted on 05/01/2005 1:05:44 AM PDT by WildPlum
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To: NewRomeTacitus

Don't bother and don't fret - you've answered my question.


10 posted on 05/01/2005 1:08:34 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Thank yah, thank yaverahmuch.)
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To: FairOpinion

I think the consensus in congress is becoming one of 'if we don't hang together, we'll certainly hang seperately.' Many on this site don't get it; but, the Congress may be getting it..


11 posted on 05/01/2005 1:13:37 AM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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Why can't he talk about border security as an issue, without bashing Bush and accusing him of ulterior motives.

Excuse me for saying so; but, all of us haven't drank the koolaid. Bush isn't God. Nor is he a 'god'. And we don't just rubberstamp everything he wants or says just because he's a pubby. If that's what you're expecting, you should figure out why you're here. Right and wrong isn't a popularity contest. And just because you like Bush, doesn't mean he's above reproach.

12 posted on 05/01/2005 1:17:51 AM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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To: FairOpinion
I just object to people using that as a club to beat up on President Bush with it, people who didn't say a peep about it during the last twenty years it's been going on and has escalated to its current level.

Worth repeating

Thanks for the post!

13 posted on 05/01/2005 1:18:03 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: FairOpinion

Ok, what are you - a teenager? Does it occur to you that someone you don't like may be right?


14 posted on 05/01/2005 1:20:43 AM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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To: FairOpinion
There was NO need for him to talk about President Bush at all.

LOL! President Bush is PRESIDENT. He's standing in the way of meaningful and much-needed immigration reforms. He's calling citizen volunteers "vigilantes" and at the same time he's refusing to fund the additional border guards he indicated in the past would be hired. He's proposing amnesty (although he doesn't want to call it amnesty). He's the main opposition on this issue, and Tancredo is supposed to refrain from pointing that out to his fellow Americans? That's laughable!

If Bush can't handle criticism from one congressional critic of his own party, Bush either needs to resign from office or consider for just a moment that he may be on the wrong side of this issue.

Or have you forgotten how he spoke out and suggested that DeLay should resign, even if the Dem charges against him are totally bogus.

Your credibility is sinking. Tancredo suggested that DeLay might want to TEMPORARILY STEP ASIDE during the investigation, even though Tancredo said he believes the charges are bogus. I'll remind you that police officers routinely step aside temporarily from their normal duties after an officer-involved shooting while an investigation goes forward. After they're cleared, they immediately resume their normal duties. As the Newsmax URL below suggests, Tancredo was more supportive of DeLay than anything else.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/4/17/112945.shtml

15 posted on 05/01/2005 1:32:44 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: FairOpinion

Hmmm..."Tancredo." Is that an American name?

[Little humor there.]

And on the more serious side, BTW, wasn't he a teacher? ...and in public education?


16 posted on 05/01/2005 1:35:25 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Roman.)
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell
President Bush is PRESIDENT. He's standing in the way of meaningful and much-needed immigration reforms.

Actually, I'll correct myself slightly here. President Bush is standing in the way of enforcing current immigration laws.

17 posted on 05/01/2005 1:36:16 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: Havoc

"I think the consensus in congress is becoming one of 'if we don't hang together, we'll certainly hang seperately"

Is that why Tancredo wanted DeLay to step down, so the Republicans can "hang separately" -- and yes, indeed it was.

This whole PHONY immigration issue was started by the Democrats DURING Bush't term, to try to divide the conservatives. "Divide and conquer". And some conservatives, or so they call themselves are more than willing to become the useful idiots for the Democrats, and eat their own, making way for the likes of Kerry and Hillary.


18 posted on 05/01/2005 1:41:26 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
"Why can't he talk about border security as an issue, without bashing Bush and accusing him of ulterior motives."

WHY? A Picture is worth a thousand words:


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." President 'Teddy' Roosevelt

19 posted on 05/01/2005 1:41:56 AM PDT by An American Patriot ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME"-- the opportunity to get the Hell out of here! Bye Bye VT- Hello, VA)
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To: FairOpinion
I am a firm believer in well secured border and stopping the flow of illegal immigration.

This stands in contradiction to your ceaseless bashing of Tancredo, who is a primary force behind the developing immigration reform movement. Immigration reform will go no where if disagreement with Bush's open borders tendencies is stifled in favor of blind partisan loyalty.

20 posted on 05/01/2005 1:43:07 AM PDT by ForOurFuture
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