Posted on 04/30/2005 10:53:17 PM PDT by Judith Anne
Pinging the list...
I, and others, have wondered about this for weeks.
A serious undercount, multiple breaches in infection protocols at the HOSPITALS, Marburg cases that suddenly turn out to be merely exercises (but the ministry of health was not informed), empty hospitals because the populace thinks that health workers are spreading the disease (and they may be) Marburg deaths that aren't counted because no lab confirmation is made, local healers giving "injections" to Marburg cases, porous borders, "administrative reclassification" of all cases outside of Uige...
NOT looking good.
Oh, and I forgot to mention, the Angolan president, Jose Eduardo dos Santos (did I get the name right?) out of the country on a visit to South America...
Oh my.. the truth finally starts to trickle out.
See also:
Marburg Spread to Democratic Republic of the Congo?
It's also at Recombinomics, with a news header and commentary.
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/04300501/Marburg_DRC2.html
out of the country on a visit to South America...
"How CONVEEENIENT".
That was my opinion.
s/b "That was my opinion, too."
Sorry.
Serious undercount...hmmm, I have such a bad feeling about it.
Anyone else getting worried? That becomes unknown growth...
mrsx
...And the Prez taking off to South America ?
That isn't very reassuring if this is getting loose...
maybe I am having a tin-foil episode...join me, won't you?
mrsx
277 was a possible slip of the health ministers tongue the other day, remember that? Y'all caught it then! Anyway they probably don't have a clue ...just those dying right in front of them and even those numbers are constantly tampered with!
mrs x
Listen is that the sound of HORSES HOOVES I hear?
No, this looks like there is a numbers game going on to keep a panic down, as they are not reporting many cases which may or may not be confirmed (ever) because there is no way to run lab tests.
I would bet there are not many other likely suspects for someone dying this way, and few in circulation at present.
Things that don't make sense (TM)
(1) Blaming "Traditional Healers" for the spread.
see e.g.,
http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/angola_26332.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/04/25/MNGOBCEFEV1.DTL&type=health
The poblem, according to the unicef article there are only around 150 traditional healers. If they were responsible for the spread, you think they'd all be dead by now.
(2) Blaming home "injections."
Same problem as above. If this was a source in the past, I don't see how it could be a continuing source, given that everyone who was injected or did the injections should be dead by now.
The Uigeians seem to be moderately on-the-ball, their concern with hospitals has turned out to be justified.
The recent BBC video showing no-one going near the dying baby suggests that they are no longer doing any kind of traditional mourning (laying hands on the dead, etc.)
And yet, the virus still spreads.
Possibilities:
(A) It's getting spread by mosquitos. We know that it can be spread via eating dead animals, could it have mutated such that it can stay alive in a mosquito host-body.
(B) It's being transmitted via the air.
(C) Your guess.
Yes, the numbers are suspect and almost certainly wrong. But this is freaking Angola where people still believe in witch doctors and reliable communication is rare. They can't even keep the power on to their hospitals.
I think it's more "clueless" than coverup.
A pale horse by the sound of it...
(Not zebras)
Fascinating article. Tons of good information. I will address my response in two posts.
First, consider the number of new cases and deaths at 2-3 per day. In addition, we know that there are about 20 active cases at any one time. (Again, using Angola Health / WHO statistics). Well, the simple calculation for the lifetime of a patient after symptoms until death is:
tau_d=active / rate = 21 / 3 = 7-10 days
OK, now we have a good number for the lifetime. Using the model, (c.f. Model Derivation) we know that the growth rate is then:
tau_g = tau_d * (1/((I_c/D_c) - 1))
D_c/I_c = .92, ==> I_c/D_c = 1.08 ==>
tau_g = 11.5 * tau_d
Since tau_d ~= 7 days,
tau_g = 80 days.
So, the growth rate is exponential with a time constant of 80 days. This number is perfectly consistent with the growth rate reported. Moreover, he reports:
Thus, the number of cases and deaths have been averaging 2-3 per day
With 250 cases, we have roughly that the daily new cases should be:
250*(exp(1/80) -1) = 3
It all fits very nicely. So, we have a real measure of the growth that is reliable, assuming reported data are correct. This is nice because the data fit the model perfectly. Indeed, a comparison between the 2nd and 3rd growth plots that we showed yesterday (c.f. Marburg Growth Plots) show the same thing. The calculation for D_c/I_c = .92 matches the reported growth in the third plot exactly.
A very disturbing point, and also the point you and many other posters to these threads have made.
How many real, but unreported Marburg cases are there?
The concern is not the number of cases, per se, but the fact that the growth rate determinations (by calculation or curve fit) would be wrong. What makes this a real threat is the potential for growth, not the numbers today.
If we take his statements as litteral truth, then:
1. There was no slowing of the growth rate, it was all due to "administrative reclassification."
2. The number of new, unreported cases is identical to the number of new, reported cases.
Therefore, the number of new, reported cases in April was:
277 - 120 = 157
If there were an equal number of unreported cases, 157, then the total number of cases would now stand at:
277 + 157 = 434
These numbers are disturbingly close to the growth rate predictions. The growth curve prior to April 10 suggested a growth rate that would have 500 cases by today (c.f. Growth Plots ). Moreover, we discussed a thread a few days ago (c.f. Additional Active cases post, and subsequent), that there were either 89, 174, or 263 additional, unreported cases. (Depending on the meaning of the English). Well
157 ~ 174
So, this report would be consistent too. Therefore, extending the Recombiniometrics analysis, there may the reported 277 cases, or the true number may be as high as ~450 or so.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.