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Paul Martin: A Minister Past His Prime (Canada's Liberals In Disarray Alert)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 04/30/05 | Ted Byfield

Posted on 04/29/2005 11:23:58 PM PDT by goldstategop

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To: beaver fever

Don't forget the hog issue, which was just won as well. American unfairly posting a duty on each weanling about $5 a piglet.


21 posted on 04/30/2005 2:46:21 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: beaver fever

The thing about stumpage, is Americans complained that it wasn't enough! Imagine that. The argument was Canadians didn't have as much cost as americans who had to pay higher fees for access to private lands. Of course it was rediculous, but Bush needed the democrats in the senate at the time, so he went along with it.
Same thing for cattle, same thing for hogs. It's pure protectionism, a violation of the NAFTA agreement.
We Americans are being fooled into thinking we don't have any cattle with BSE. it occurs naturally in every herd, one in every thousand. We should be finding at least 300 cows a year, but we don't. The Japs test every single cow, and find about 100 a year in their own herds, as do the brits, Europeons.

As mentioned, the Canadians just won the hog tarrif issue.
There is a reason that the hog barns are all in Canada, because all the enviromentalists down here prevent them from being built here. We can't keep up with our own demand. But producers here cry, because they can't make a good product.
Canadian producers are able to lower their feed costs because feed is cheaper in Canada, it's not inflated and subsidized like it is here. We put tarrif on Canadian feed, so it isn't available here for our producers. It' an endless vicious circle. TARRIFS don't work!


22 posted on 04/30/2005 2:58:21 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: crz
Oh and regarding forest practices,

I will agree with you in the past BC logging companies have pretty much raped the land. Vancouver Island was once all forested and now it's completely logged off.

But the clearcut days are over and any Wood Products company has to depend on second growth to survive.

Doman went under because of the softwood dispute.

Can't say I miss them they were a bunch of Sikh robber barons. A nasty bunch only interested in building mansions to themselves and ripping off poor Sikh mill workers.

No, BC Forest companies are not saints by any means but the system that made them rich is still rational.

Stumpage is like just on time ordering. You only buy what you need when you need it at a price that guarantees a reasonable profit.

If business is slow you can reduce production without incurring high inventory costs.

So don't get me wrong I'm not apologizing for Canadian forest practices. I could tell you stories that would make your hair stand on end. But the stumpage pricing system for wood supply in Canada makes sense from the standpoint of sustainable development if proper forest practices are followed.
23 posted on 04/30/2005 3:03:59 AM PDT by beaver fever
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To: Nathan Zachary

Well there's another reason why I surf here, I didn't here about the hog issue.

Thanks for the info.

You know the big casualty in this is that with FTAA and CAFTA on life support there is a very real possibility that a South American trading block could emerge under ALBA including all of South America, Central America and the Caribean including Cuba in order to protect a bunch of subsidized pig farmers, canola growers and Montana beef ranchers.

In other words a Latino EU. Think about it.

That's a high price to pay.


24 posted on 04/30/2005 3:18:35 AM PDT by beaver fever
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To: Windcatcher
I've been studying this phenomenon since the Reagan years, and I'm still at a loss to explain it to Americans. As near as I can tell, our beautiful country is simply infested with socialists. It's about 70:30 ratio. During the brinkmanship of the Reagan years, when the USSR had thousands of MIRVS aimed at us, these idiots were actually cheering for Gorby. I was appalled that they had NO idea of what communism, NEVER heard of something called the Politburo, KGB, GRU, or gulag and actually believed that the Soviet "people" had a say in politics and just wanted the same thing as them i.e. "peace." There was no question that Reagan was the warmonger. Universally, their grasp of history stopped at about the date of their birth. Crazy.

During the re-coronation of Chimpus Khan (beloved defender of the realm), they reeeeally went Coo-Coo for Cocoa Puffs. At times I felt I was living in a giant outdoor DUmmieland. Declare a basic self-evident truth at the dinner table (like, say, the sole reason we can afford universal health care is because we rely on the USA to defend the 'effen country) and you would be blamed for "spoiling the evening".

We once had a proud past during Confederation, the opening of the West and the Great War, but somehow in the last 50 years, we lost our identity. Against this ennui we see the USA, a nation that knows exactly what it is, can defend itself AS AN IDEA and doesn't care what you think. But what turns many of my countrymen into real mental cases is the vague feeling that Christian faith underpins it all. It actually has a place in public discourse in America

But Canada is not your adversary (nor is France or Germany or any mere geopolitical entity) Your eternal and implacable foe is the creeping "dictatorship of relativism," that Benedict XVI, with angelic intelligence foresaw.

The nonsensical drumbeat of prounoucements by this gaggle of secular humanists is not going to go away - they're hellbent on "educating" you. Like Michael, Hillary, Whoopy or Chirac, these "world citizens" are the apostate mutations of a free society. Their one absolute in life is a craven fear and hatred of ANY reminder of their creatureliness.

For them, truth is an emotional position statement on a cool T-shirt determined by a majority vote. It gives them community and allows them to project their internal desolation onto evil America.

Help them! They need compassionate correction.

25 posted on 04/30/2005 4:07:42 AM PDT by Antioch (Benedict XVI: "I think the essential point is a weakness of faith.")
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Nope, it was Cretien. Martin just landed in the pile of pig poop that Cretien created. Of course he didn't help himself much, but then again he is a liberal.


26 posted on 04/30/2005 7:32:46 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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To: beaver fever

Isnt government control lovely? Nice. BTW. The timber companys have cut off the Canadian suppliers from this area. Why? Becuase if they didnt we would'nt supply them. So they had a choice. Either quit buying Canadian roundwood on the Canadian dollar or face a complete shutdown from this side.


27 posted on 04/30/2005 5:21:41 PM PDT by crz
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To: Nathan Zachary
"It' an endless vicious circle. TARRIFS don't work!"

They work nicely if you want to restrict access to your market. But the result is higher consumer prices and a disincentive on the part of producers to lower costs through technical innovation.

Cattle feed tariff? That's one I haven't heard of.

Back to stumpage though the argument that Canadian costs are lower because Americans pay higher fees for access to private lands seems like an apples oranges comparison.

Canadian companies don't pay any fees for access to private land. They just negotiate a price with the owner and start logging.

Large companies harvesting Crown land, however, have to foot the bill for all road construction and maintenance as well as tree planting. I faulty road construction leads to a slide the have to rebuild the road and stabilize the slide area as well as absorb the down time costs.

So comparing auction wood and stumpage wood on a board feet basis is quite deceptive.
28 posted on 04/30/2005 7:09:08 PM PDT by beaver fever
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To: crz
" The timber company's have cut off the Canadian suppliers from this area."

Good for you. I'm tired of Canadian logging companies selling raw logs overseas while our sawmills are fighting to stay open. Plus they depress log prices in your market all for a quick buck.
29 posted on 04/30/2005 7:14:24 PM PDT by beaver fever
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