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To: rmgatto
Any dictionary will tell you that facts are true by definition. What is known here is by and large self serving half truths or downright lies told by people with agendas.

How intriguing.  I'm arguing with someone with whom I somewhat agree.

Anyone familiar with dictionaries will know many words which are very important to us have several to many related definitions.

My old Webster New World Dictionary of the American Language has five. Among them are: something said to have occurred or supposed to be true and an actual or alleged incident or condition.

My even older Webster's Third New International Dictionary has six rather rigorous definitions, among them are:  an assertion, statement, or information containing or purporting to contain something having objective reality and any of the circumstances of a case at law as it exists or is alleged to exist in reality; something proved by the evidence to be or alleged to be of actual occurrence.

So, to repeat the statement, the problem is both sides dispute the other side's facts.

And, I do agree, there are many half-truths, lies and agendas spewing forth.  Because the Schindler's forensic pathologist's request to observe the autopsy was refused by the medical examiner, you can bet those half-truths, lies and agendas will have a long, long shelf life.

91 posted on 04/03/2005 10:47:39 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Racehorse
Usage Note: Fact has a long history of usage in the sense “allegation of fact,” as in “This tract was distributed to thousands of American teachers, but the facts and the reasoning are wrong” (Albert Shanker). This practice has led to the introduction of the phrases true facts and real facts, as in The true facts of the case may never be known. These usages may occasion qualms among critics who insist that facts can only be true, but the usages are often useful for emphasis.

American Heritage fourth ed.

Semantics--I happen to think a fact is true and other usages can lead to ambiguity, as here. In any event we agree that this case is full of lies and half truths.

223 posted on 04/03/2005 4:08:00 PM PDT by rmgatto
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