[blam]

Don't know why the pictures won't post.

Professor Stephen Oppenheimer, makes the same case in his excellent book, Eden In The East.

Dr Robert Schoch does essentially the same in his book, Voyages Of The Pyramid Builders

[blam]

GGG Ping.

[happygrl]

more fascination....

We are about to see the greatest era of archeology unfold.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Blam. Happy April Fool's Day.

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[Fedora]

Mr. Churchward said he learned about Mu in 1868 from an old Hindu priest who taught him an ancient language, Naacal. . . The Naacal tablets mysteriously disappeared in the 1920s, along with all other evidence of Mr. Churchward’s visit to the Indian monastery. No trace of Mu has yet been found.

Did anyone check Sandy Berger?

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Don't know why the pictures won't post.

Me neither...

[adaven]

Excellent article, thanks for posting.

[Cronos]

absolutely fascinating!

[SunkenCiv]

Just updating the GGG information, not sending a general distribution.

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[SunkenCiv]

[S0122017]

BLAM IM SHOCKED

You believe this crap?

[Thombo2]

Great article,thanx.I won't comment on the veracity of the theory,but i've held the opinion for years that civilization is considerably older than estimates would indicate.The fact all civilizations mention an "ancient" society that was lost to flooding and/or seizmic activity is compelling.

[ConservativeMind]

Interesting read.

[dangerdoc]

bump

[SueRae]

Thank you. I followed the link from another of your postings. Very interesting reading. I also believe that civilization is much older than currently acknowledged. The Sundaland read is compelling. And thanks to all for the additional links. I’ll have more to read (when I’m not at work...gotta run)

[SunkenCiv]

The Cuicuilco Pyramid in Mexico is another enigma. It was geologically dated to before 8,500 BC based upon the fact that it existed before the first volcanic eruption of Mount Xitli.

regarding that...

Gods, Graves, and Scholars: The Story of Archaeology
by C. W. Ceram

Now, several of these pyramids located at different sites from Tula to Monte Alban have been discussed, yet one of the most important has yet to be mentioned. This is the Pyramid of Cuicuilco, which stands on a mound 22.4 feet high, situated at the southern limits of Mexico City. The Pyramid of Cuicuilco rises up out of a weird landscape of darkly stony aspect. At one time the volcanoes Ajusco and Xitli (perhaps only the latter) erupted. The god within the pyramid was apparently remiss in diverting the glowing flood of lava that flowed about the pyramid, for half the structure was drowned in bubbling muck. The archaeologists investigating this phenomenon called on colleagues from another faculty, the geologists, for help. How old is the lava, they inquired. The geologists, not realizing that their answer was knocking a world picture awry, answered: "Eight thousand years." ...Yet late research is more inclined to consider it false.

[aruanan]

The Pleistocene - also called Anthropozoic Era or Quaternary Era or even, the Ice Age. During the Pleistocene and, more exactly, during the glacial episodes that occur at intervals of about 20 thousand years, sea levels were about 330-500 feet below their present value.

If he's going to speak of the periodicity of glaciations of the current ice age, then he needs to measure them from the beginning of one glaciation to the end of the succeeding interglacial period, then he could have more accurately written about "glacial periods that occur over intervals of roughly 110,000 years during the current, Quarternary, ice age."

[aruanan]

There is also a universality of certain ancient symbols and customs which were to be found in various ancient lands such as Egypt, Burma, India, Japan, China, the South Sea Islands, Central and South America, as well as among the aboriginal tribes of North America. They were so identical that it seemed certain that they all came from only one source.

Or the artists throughout that time were depicting a common phenomenon (the link is to a PDF of the paper).

I also don't know how he overlooked the legend of the Seven Cities of Gold or the description of the origin of the Genesis flood as "all the great fountains of the deep were broken up" (after all, most people just think of 40 days and nights of rain--though the time spent in the ark was described as being over a year in length until the waters receded enough for them to come to ground), implying great tectonic activity with resulting vulcanism and huge storms as well as tsunamis as a result.

[aruanan]

You need access through a university server to get this but it looked interesting:

Special Paper 2: Maps of Pleistocene Sea Levels in Southeast Asia: Shorelines, River Systems and Time Durations
Harold K. Voris
Journal of Biogeography, 1153-1167, Vol. 27, No. 5, Sep., 2000

A table shows the percentages of time and number of years that sea level was below current level in intervals of 10 meters up to 120 meters for each of three periods of time: the past 17,000 years, the past 150,000 years, and the past 250,000 years, as well as the number of events that resulted in the lowering of the sea level to that particular depth. For the past 17,000 years, there was 1 event and the amount of time that sea level was lowered 120 meters below current level was 1000 years or 2% of the time, 100 meters, 4000 years or 24% of the time.

Here is an interesting part from the discussion section:

At 120m BPL (fig. 1a, C 17,000 yr BP), the bulk of the Sunda and Sahul shelves were largely exposed and formed massive lowland connections between present day islands in this regions and adjacent continents. Sumatra, Java and Borneo are connected by the exposed Sunda Shelf. If one considers new continuous shelf exposed south and east of the Isthmus of Kra, an additional 1.53 million sq km of land was annexed to Southeast Asia. This area is three-fouths the present day combined area of Myanmar, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, the Malay Peninsula and Singapore (2.07 million sq km) (Webster's, 19980). At 120 m BL, the total newly connected area of the Sunda Shelf (in Sumatra, Java and Borneo) exceeded 3.2 million sq km, thus increasing the contiguous area of Indo-China by about 1.5 times. In addition, the islands of Hainan and Taiwan were connected to mainland China, and Sri Lanka was connect with India. Natuna Island and the other smaller island of today's South China Sea (e.g. Anambas Islands and Tambelan Archipelago) were a part of the exposed Sunda Shelf and likely offered some significant topographic relief. Although Borneo and Palawan were not connected by a land bridge at 17,000 yr BP, the Balabac Straits were reduced to a width of only about 12 km. Sulawesi remained separated from Borneo by a narrow but very deep ocean trench. To the east the exposed Sahul Shelf broadly connected Australia and New Guinea and surround the Aru Islands.

At 100m and 75m BPL (Fig. 1b, c, c. 15m000 and 13,000 yr BP), the configuration of the exposed Sunda and Sahul shelves remained very similar to the 120 m BPL arraangement and no major land connections were lost. At 75 m BLP (Fig. 1c), it is likely that one or more freshwater lakes or swamps existed at various times in depression where the Gulf of Siam is now located (Emery & Nino, 1963) and bottom cores taken off the east coast of the Malay Peninsula contained peat deposits indicating a Pleistocene peat swamp (Biswas, 1973). Furthermore, evidence of old coast lines support the presence of a brackish waster lake in the Gulf of Capentaria at about 60 m BPL (Torgensen et al,. 1985).

At 50 m BPL (Fig. 1d, c. 11,000 yr BP), extensive land bridges still connected the Malay Peninsula, Sumatra, Java and Borneo.

Freepmail me about this paper.

[SpinnerWebb]

If anyone wants further information, with pretty hard evidence, of planet-changing cataclysmic events, watch Joe Rogen’s podcasts with Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock.

They can be found on YouTube easily enough.