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Military Court Convicts U.S. Soldier For Iraqi Man's 'Mercy Killing' - Capt. Rogelio Maynulet
AP ^ | March 31, 2005 | AP

Posted on 03/31/2005 5:38:45 AM PST by Former Military Chick

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To: jaykay

Your insight based on your solid credentials is truly a thing of beauty.


101 posted on 04/01/2005 5:21:11 AM PST by verity (A mindset is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: jaykay
Never, and yet I still have the audacity to comment on military matters.

You were griping about how nobody would join the military because the military expects its orders to be followed.

And it turns out...that's exactly why you never joined, chickenhawk.

102 posted on 04/01/2005 5:25:49 AM PST by Poohbah (I'm in the WPPFF)
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To: All
RE: "captured on film"

There's W.W.II film showing G.I.'s doing the same to wounded enemy.

Is the Bush administration going to stand by and have W.W.II vets dragged out of their hospital beds and put on trial? IMO, for sure! Hey, it's politics above all nowadays. Can't give the ACLU a chance to raise a stink. Besides the courts run things now, there's nothing the President or Congress can do.

What would FDR do? I remember. He let the greatest generation do what it takes. Those were the days.

103 posted on 04/01/2005 6:11:57 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: OldEagle

We can't stop the mission to care for our own wounded, certainly not his. Also it isn't really a good idea to leave wounded and armed enemy behind our troops as we move through an area.

With all due respect sir, we care for the wounded DURING the Op, and in some cases afterwards. This man was wounded and un-armed, (no we dont leave armed enemy on the battle field) and missing a rathter large portion of his skull at that. He wasnt going any where or gonna cause anyone harm. I bet you think Lt Pantano should get a pass too?


104 posted on 04/01/2005 9:34:38 AM PST by TheGunny
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To: TheGunny
" I bet you think Lt Pantano should get a pass too?"

I did not know that the man was unarmed and harmless. Also I am not sure how much time you spend to assess their condition. A second is too long if it gets you killed. A soldier is in a situation where he often has to make split-second live or die decisions. Training and experience reduce errors, but they still occur.

I don't think a soldier should be punished for what he judged to be an act of mercy.

I'm nor sure about the circumstances in the Pantano case, but again I don't think a wartime soldier should be prosecuted for killing the enemy.

There are too many rules of engagement which end up putting our troops at unnecessary risk. We send soldiers to kill the enemy. At the end of the day it's how you tell who won and who lost.Yes there are war crimes, but I don't see either Maynulet or Pantano as war criminals.

105 posted on 04/01/2005 10:33:51 AM PST by OldEagle (Haven't been wrong since 1947, except about Hillary.)
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To: OldEagle

God bless you. Im sorry but I think youve got this whole thing wrong! You give the impression that these "soldiers" are hodge podge minute men. WRONG! They are professionals, highly skilled and trained to do this thing that they have been called to do! Why do you not hear more of these kinds of things? Because it doesnt happen!

I don't think a soldier should be punished for what he judged to be an act of mercy.

This may be what he thought but HE WAS WRONG! What makes it worse and why these two WILL get the book thrown at them, is that they are OFFICERS and example professionals for the rest of us to emulate.

You cant just sit on the porch with a flag draped around you saying, "Kill every Got Damn one of em'", because thats not how we fight....its not how we want to fight. Its not American.



106 posted on 04/01/2005 11:13:34 AM PST by TheGunny
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To: TheGunny

I presume that you are active duty USMC, possibly in Iraq. I respect you and I respect your opinions and you have been patient with me. I truly believe that there are too many rules of engagement. We should never send troops to a hostile area and not allow them to do what is necessary to protect themselves. During the Vietnam conflict, a lieutenant was court-martialed because he ordered the destruction of a village and its entire population. That was considered a war crime. If a president had done it with a Cruise missile, it would not have been.
Yes a soldier must follow orders, but the rules should protect our troops too.
Respectfully,
OldEagle


107 posted on 04/01/2005 11:43:35 AM PST by OldEagle (Haven't been wrong since 1947, except about Hillary.)
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To: Casloy
The verdict was probably correct, but the punishment way exceeds the crime.

I just saw the punishment. Discharge from the army, no prison time. Seems a little light to me.

108 posted on 04/01/2005 12:09:53 PM PST by PAR35
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To: TheGunny

I am grateful that you are wrong about the book being throw at him. He will lose a distinguished career but fortunately will serve no time! Mercy to thy enemy carries much weight in the eyes of God & even sometimes to the jag.


109 posted on 04/01/2005 12:16:37 PM PST by JackHawk
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To: PAR35

What may seem light to you, is probably devasting to a career Bronze Star & Meritorious Service Medal recipeint. The loss will be great to his men!


110 posted on 04/01/2005 12:26:21 PM PST by JackHawk
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To: PAR35

Anything more than sending him to a rear unit for a couple years is too harsh.


111 posted on 04/01/2005 12:44:45 PM PST by Eagle Eye (BTDT got the T shirt, shot glass, coffee mug, ball cap, shoulder patch, key chain, challenge coin...)
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To: JackHawk
I too am glad for him and his family that he'll do no time. But be not fooled by the red hot rhetoric, what he did was wrong and professional warriors are above that.
112 posted on 04/01/2005 2:05:24 PM PST by TheGunny
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To: verity

I suppose you have 'solid credentials' in every single topic you ever express an opinion about.


113 posted on 04/02/2005 1:21:56 AM PST by jaykay (Those who live in glass houses have the best view.)
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To: Poohbah
I was griping about how nobody would join the military because it was looking like they would have to fight lawyers as much as terrorists. Apparently someone woke up and realized how it looks from the outside and they didn't incarcerate Capt. Maynulet.
114 posted on 04/02/2005 1:29:58 AM PST by jaykay (Those who live in glass houses have the best view.)
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To: PAR35
I just saw the punishment. Discharge from the army, no prison time. Seems a little light to me.

If you believe he thought he was genuinely doing something compassionate, as I do, then it was a fair sentence in my opinion.

115 posted on 04/02/2005 4:00:56 AM PST by Casloy
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To: jaykay

I never expressed an opinion regarding open-heart saurgery.


116 posted on 04/02/2005 6:42:49 AM PST by verity (A mindset is a terrible thing to waste.)
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