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No compelling reason to kill Terri Schiavo
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | March 27,2005 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 03/27/2005 2:37:03 AM PST by mal

A couple of decades back, north of the border, it was discovered that some overzealous types in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police had been surreptitiously burning down the barns of Quebec separatists. The prime minister, Pierre Trudeau, shrugged off the controversy and blithely remarked that, if people were so upset by the Mounties illegally burning down barns, perhaps he'd make the burning of barns by Mounties legal. As the columnist George Jonas commented

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To: Randjuke

Agreed.

If she is indeed in a PSV, I have no major problems with ending her life. The problem is that there are legitimate questions about whether she is PSV or not.

I also believe that if the law is going to allow PSV people to be killed, it should be done in a more humane way.

The present approach is the most rank hypocrisy. Perhaps PSV people should be classified as legally dead, and then appropriate measures canbe taken to turn their lights off.

As you say, Mark is great but this time he is off track.


81 posted on 03/27/2005 6:58:39 AM PST by Restorer
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To: MisterRepublican
I think the "living wills" thing is ridiculous. Who's to say that some right-to-die lawyer gets a right-to-die judge to determine that you really didn't mean it, your spouse says you weren't in your right mind or some such, and the court orders what they will.

That's one of the real dangers being set by this precedent of the court killing Terri Schindler. The decision was based on hearsay evidence. Hearsay can be used to "say" a lot of things, including what you suggest. The "Living Will" of today becomes simply "a scarp of paper" (to use another famous phrase that ushered in the deaths of millions) tomorrow. A "Living Will" that affirms a desire to live becomes meaningless in a culture of death.

82 posted on 03/27/2005 6:58:49 AM PST by chimera
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To: politeia

According to the medical opinions accepted by the Court, she cannot swallow and therefore cannot eat or drink.

I think making an attempt to feed her or give her liquids by mouth would be entirely appropriate, and Michael's side is egregiously wrong in not permitting it.


83 posted on 03/27/2005 7:01:23 AM PST by Restorer
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To: Tax-chick
Our culture holds that a "meaningful life" is one that is productive, and that "dignity" means autonomy. The disabled and those who work with them remind us that these ideas are false.

The "meaningful life" argument is a dangerous and utterly corrupt reasoning that is often used by the death lovers. The flaw in it is easily exposed thusly: deciding that a life is "non-meaningful" and "not worth living" is a lot easier when that life is not your own.

84 posted on 03/27/2005 7:04:48 AM PST by chimera
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To: Restorer
I think making an attempt to feed her or give her liquids by mouth would be entirely appropriate, and Michael's side is egregiously wrong in not permitting it.

I tend to agree with this, but if she truly cannot swallow and she ends up aspirating this will hasten her death quicker than the stopping of her tube feedings. Tough decision.

85 posted on 03/27/2005 7:07:52 AM PST by Randjuke
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To: Stormcrow

Do you think judges should ignore what you agree it says with regard to Teri's case, and reinterpret it to interfere with her legal guardian's medical decision? That is implicit in your argument.

Do you think judges should ignore what the laws says with regard to the definition of marriage, and the law to allow homosexual "marriage?"

If you are in favor of the first example of legislating from the bench and opposed to the second, on what do you base your position aside from personal opinion that one outcome is "good" and the other "bad?"

Don't you think it would be preferable to oppose the passage of a law to burn, starve or shoot me than to allow it to pass and then expect a judge to override it?


86 posted on 03/27/2005 7:08:12 AM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer

Please change second paragraph in above post to:

Do you think judges should ignore what the law says with regard to the definition of marriage, and reinterpret the law to allow homosexual "marriage?"

Sorry.


87 posted on 03/27/2005 7:10:59 AM PST by Restorer
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To: jocon307

I think some enterprising lawyer needs to market what I call The Forever Living Will...This forbids anybody from withholding food water or needed medication from an incapacitated person ...it specifically recognizes the right of the holder to be kept alive until the skin falls off their skeleton...This would prevent idiot anti-life judges from murdering people without their express consent...


88 posted on 03/27/2005 7:11:44 AM PST by NATIVEDAUGHTER
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To: Restorer

"Her husband is designated as her next of kin. As such, he has the legal right to make medical decisions for her."


And if her husband hasn't bben acting like a true husband, that makes no difference? That is not a factor for a judge to take into account when ruling on this case? Pahleese!!!


89 posted on 03/27/2005 7:18:56 AM PST by Zivasmate (" A wise man's heart inclines him to his right, but a fool's heart to his left." - Ecclesiastes 10)
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To: Zivasmate
And if her husband hasn't bben acting like a true husband, that makes no difference? That is not a factor for a judge to take into account when ruling on this case? Pahleese!!!

You people crack me up. You're all POed at this judge for not deviating from the letter of the law.

Isn't that what conservatives generally claim we want from judges? Or do we only want them to follow the law when the result is one we desire?

IMHO, the problem here is not the judge. The problem is the law. As such, the appropriate response is to change the law, not criticize the judge.

90 posted on 03/27/2005 7:23:54 AM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
"what you agree it says with regard to Teri's case"

That's just it. I don't agree at all.

I never remotely implied that I did either. So please refrain from putting words in my mouth. Thank you.

Oh yeah, and BTW, thank you for answering my original question. However inadvertantly.

91 posted on 03/27/2005 7:28:59 AM PST by Stormcrow ("It's not that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so.")
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To: mal

What next, "Soylent Green"?


92 posted on 03/27/2005 7:29:09 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Restorer

"IMHO, the problem here is not the judge. The problem is the law. As such, the appropriate response is to change the law, not criticize the judge."

You know very well that by the time the law is changed, Terri will have long be cremated. And nobody uses more flexibility in interpreting laws today than arrogant, liberal judges.


93 posted on 03/27/2005 7:34:49 AM PST by Zivasmate (" A wise man's heart inclines him to his right, but a fool's heart to his left." - Ecclesiastes 10)
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To: wiggen

Is it truly legal for a judge to order that Terri can't be fed by means other than the tube? Is that really a part of the law the Fla. legislature enacted?


$$$$

This is the sticking point for me, too. That seems to go way beyond the bounds of judicial right. I am convinced that the pro-death crowd are seriously afraid of anyone seeing her reaction to a substance in her mouth. She even had an order for no mouth care. That makes my skin crawl.

She was put in this hospice to die five years ago, and she has been "thwarting the will" of MS and his attorneys every since.


94 posted on 03/27/2005 7:36:43 AM PST by maica (Ask a Deathocrat: "When did you decide to support death always - except for condemned criminals?")
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To: Restorer

We want the judge to follow the law not twist it to suit the needs of the husband.

As soon as the judge ceased following the law a deviation in kind became necessary.


95 posted on 03/27/2005 7:41:56 AM PST by usmcobra
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To: Restorer
Perhaps PSV people should be classified as legally dead, and then appropriate measures canbe taken to turn their lights off.

Wow!!!!!! I don't believe that you said that?

If we ever do, sadly, get to where your perhaps went, I sure hope I am on that board to help make some of those classifications! I could solve a whole hell of a lot of problems real fast!!!!!!

96 posted on 03/27/2005 7:44:55 AM PST by eeriegeno
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To: N. Beaujon

Where was NOW or any of the other animal and civil rights groups when the court would not even allow feeding by normal means? We treat animals with far more dignity, and take them away from abusive owners.

$$$$

Their silence reveals their true motivation.

More government control of American citizens.


97 posted on 03/27/2005 7:46:23 AM PST by maica (Ask a Deathocrat: "When did you decide to support death always - except for condemned criminals?")
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To: NATIVEDAUGHTER
I think some enterprising lawyer needs to market what I call The Forever Living Will.

How about something like:

"We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

98 posted on 03/27/2005 7:51:06 AM PST by eeriegeno
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To: Restorer
You people crack me up. You're all POed at this judge for not deviating from the letter of the law.

Isn't that what conservatives generally claim we want from judges? Or do we only want them to follow the law when the result is one we desire?

IMHO, the problem here is not the judge. The problem is the law. As such, the appropriate response is to change the law, not criticize the judge.

So, by that reasoning, you agree that what the Nazis did to the Jews was permissible, if it was done "according to the law"? It was. The German judges upheld and enabled all of the racial laws of the Reich, including those relevant to "The Final Solution". The appropriate action then would have been to "change the law", rather than opposing what the Nazis did?

We should note that the "vee vere only following zee law, honorable tribunal" defense didn't work at Nuremberg. That defense didn't stop those defendants from being found guilty of crimes against humanity. All appeals to the "legality" of state-sanctioned mass murder did not cut any mustard then, and rightly so.

99 posted on 03/27/2005 8:07:46 AM PST by chimera
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To: chimera

You are perhaps intentionally misrepresenting my argument. I do not disagree that the law in questions appears to be flawed.

My disagreement is over the mechanism by which we should deal with these flaws. You seem to feel that the judge should ignore what the law says and substitute your opinions as to what the law should say for what it does. Or, that he should consult a "higher law" such as your interpretation of the Ten Commandments.

If you promote that in this case, on what grounds do you object when similar methods are used to promote others' agendas, such as gay marriage and special privileges for certain designated victim groups?

When laws are shown to be inappropriate, they should be changed through the legislative


100 posted on 03/27/2005 8:53:38 AM PST by Restorer
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