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Top Ten Chinese Military Modernization Developments
Strategycenter ^ | 23/03/05 | by Richard Fisher, Jr.

Posted on 03/26/2005 10:47:50 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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1 posted on 03/26/2005 10:47:51 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Is India Afraid?


2 posted on 03/26/2005 10:50:30 PM PST by sanchez810
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To: Gengis Khan; familyop; DoughtyOne; dervish; Jeff Head; msf92497; Tommyjo; Oztrich Boy

Ping!!


3 posted on 03/26/2005 10:51:19 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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Can you think of any country,apart from Pakistan,North Korea & Iran which isn't worried at this??


4 posted on 03/26/2005 10:52:33 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The US.


5 posted on 03/26/2005 10:54:22 PM PST by sanchez810
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"Can you think of any country,apart from Pakistan,North Korea & Iran which isn't worried at this??"

France?


6 posted on 03/26/2005 10:56:24 PM PST by Avenger
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To: sanchez810

"The US."

I'd be very concerned if there aren't people in Washington worried about the modernization of the Chinese military. Having big balls isn't going to do you much good if you don't have the guns to back them up.


7 posted on 03/26/2005 11:01:41 PM PST by Avenger
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To: sukhoi-30mki

There is nothing more irritating than an evolving enemy with modernization of military.


8 posted on 03/26/2005 11:06:36 PM PST by Wiz
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To: sukhoi-30mki

wow good thing we are not outsourcing our best manufacturing capabilities to china .. that would surely be bad why they could use all that towards their military industrial complex


9 posted on 03/26/2005 11:16:26 PM PST by Flavius ("... we should reconnoitre assiduosly... " Vegetius)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The thing I always see with China is that it never is wise to leave a true enemy undefeated when we are engaged ....
We should have never been so war weary after WW2 and let Chiang-kai Shek be defeated , or Tibet fall , or for the PRC to get away with Korea or Vietnam.
never.....
We need to concentrate on totally and conclusively WINNING
all wars we are called to fight , no matter what it takes.
Things never get better by leaving half finished fights.
10 posted on 03/26/2005 11:18:56 PM PST by injin
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China’s new attack submarines will be modern, capable and well armed. New 2nd generation Type 093 SSNs are expected to be a vast improvement over the 1st generation Type 091 models. They are often compared to late model Russian VICTOR-III SSNs, which could hold their own against early model U.S. LOS ANGELES class SSNs.[26] This may not be inaccurate as the Type 093 reportedly benefits from Russian Rubin bureau design assistance, Russian-influenced nuclear power plants and advanced Russian welding and construction techniques. They will be armed with new Chinese wire-guided torpedoes, and later in the decade, new Chinese LACMs. Once there is a build-up of Type 093s it should be expected that the PLA Navy would undertake patrols near the U.S. in order to draw U.S. SSNs back to defensive patrols.

A new SSK launched at the Wuhan yard in July 2004, dubbed the YUAN by the U.S. Navy,[27] may have benefited from extensive Russian Rubin bureau assistance, as it bears a striking resemblance to Rubin’s AMUR 1650-type SSK. Optimized for patrol and attack missions, the YUAN may feature torpedo, mine and missile armament, and possibly new Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) which could allow for 2-3 weeks of submerged operations without having to surface to recharge batteries. China has already benefited from German fuel cell technology to develop a future AIP system. But from Russia China could have access to fuel cell AIP systems offered by Rubin, or closed-cycle diesel and hydrogen-based AIP systems offered by the Malachite submarine design bureau.



These subs are no match for our subs or crews. Life expectancy for those that rode the Victor boats was 35 to 50 yrs after an 8 yr service life. Not very good for retention or transfer of expertise.


11 posted on 03/26/2005 11:39:42 PM PST by ping jockey (We must not let Dan Blather off the hook.NEVER FORGET)
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I think any prudent man charged with our national defense readiness would be extremely concerned about these ominous developments.

In a few years China's economy will eclipse ours. Already it amazing growth is distorting world markets and changing our own domestic lives. Every year the Chinese will have more to spend on their war making options and we will have less for defense. We might already be at or near the point where the combination of Chinese economic power and military might are enough to check our ability to project American interests and preserve our access to raw materials, especially oil. We must expect the world to rearrange itself as this happens and not be surprised when we are confronted bz coalitions of former 'allies' who now see their interests advanced by cooperation with China.

I think we should be very afraid.


12 posted on 03/26/2005 11:41:33 PM PST by nathanbedford (The UN was bribed and Good Men Died)
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I didn't see the way that they were doing the conversion to dollars. If it is just the normal pegged rate, then one thing to bear in mind is that $1 equivalent goes much, much further in China than it does in the U.S. or Japan. $50 billion dollars spent acquiring arms in the Chinese market might well be the equivalent of spending $250 billion in the U.S. market.

However, if the dollar-equivalent numbers are instead based on some sort of PPP-type conversion, it would clarify this a lot if that were explicated so that we could get a feel for the methodology.

13 posted on 03/26/2005 11:42:01 PM PST by snowsislander (Isa41:17-When the poor and needy seek water,and there is none,and their tongue faileth for thirst...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

good post.


14 posted on 03/26/2005 11:47:21 PM PST by gaijin
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Given the growth of the Chinese war machine, and the bibilical prochey regarding and army of 200 million, east of the Euphrates River wiping out a third of the earths population before being defeated, it's not too far a stretch to think we are witnessing the stage being set.


15 posted on 03/26/2005 11:52:07 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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The D/E subs are more than a threat in the littorals for any American boat.


16 posted on 03/26/2005 11:54:09 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: ping jockey
Businessweek online:

The Chinese Are Coming...To Germany

excerpts:

Mainland companies are opening up shop -- and setting their sights on the manufacturing sector
Selling high-wage Germany to outside investors isn't an easy job these days. Unless, curiously enough, the foreign business executives come from low-wage China. In Hamburg alone, 42 Chinese companies set up shop last year, bringing the total in the city to 360 and feeding a miniboom in Chinese investment in Germany. The state of North Rhine-Westphalia, which includes the city of Düsseldorf, tallies another 100 Chinese outfits.

SHOPPING FOR KNOWHOW
But it's also clear that the Chinese have something else in mind, acquiring German patents and engineering expertise. That's one reason why China's Shenyang Machine Tool Group recently bought Schiess, a 140-year-old maker of heavy-duty lathes and boring machines based in the East German town of Aschersleben. With 120 employees, Schiess typifies the Mittelstand machine-tool makers that are the backbone of the German economy.

17 posted on 03/27/2005 12:04:21 AM PST by Light Speed
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To: sukhoi-30mki

ping!


18 posted on 03/27/2005 7:32:57 AM PST by TapTheSource
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very in-ter-esting.........indeed

time to look into my crystal ball, too


19 posted on 03/27/2005 8:03:21 AM PST by Wudan Master
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After reading this report, I bet the U.S. honchos will gather and decide to increaswe the tsunami aid to $2 billion from the $1 billion curently.

George Bush will call Manslaughter Ted Kennedy into his office and ask him to draft the next Education Department spending authorization,, and telling him that the 80% increase in Education funding over the last four years is paltry.

George Bush will increase aid to Pakistan, N. Korea (because their "people are hungry"), Yemen and other terrorist nations.

After reading this report on the Chinese military buildup, Bush will seek to increase the aid to Africa from $15 billion to $30 billion.

George Bush and the Republicans are Marxist style spendaholics for global and domestic welfare and could care less about the military readiness of this nation, nor about its $9 trillion of debt, due to their Marxist social spending.

China will rule the world. American "leaders" are leading the sheep to slaughter.


20 posted on 03/27/2005 10:55:55 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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