Posted on 03/25/2005 4:33:23 AM PST by ex-Texan
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And nobody's excusing Pontius Pilate.
The point was being made that Jesus died by the will of God, He laid down His life for us, Pontius Pilate didn't take it from Him. He came to die, he was "the Lamb slain before the foundation of the earth."
I join in your prayers, Jeff. At this late stage of the game, however, I'm inclined to believe the latter is of principal importance.
Jeb Bush at this point would have to go into the hospice by the grace of the Sheriff, whom the courts have advised to prevent -- by means of force, we are to assume -- executive branch officials from entering. I find it appalling that a judge would even think to order the Governor to not exercise his statutory powers. To me, this is clearly an act of judicial usurpation. I cannot believe that such a thing can be allowed to stand.
Judge Greer has opined that the powers of the Governor are not superior to his own. But Greer has no executive authority, although he is acting as if he had.
Whether Governor Bush has the moral fortitude to stand up to this overweening tyrant remains to be seen. A little story from our history that I recall: Justice John Marshall once upon a time subpoenaed then-sitting President Thomas Jefferson to appear as a witness in Aaron Burr's trial. TJ refused, taking the position that the judicial branch had no constitutional authority to issue a subpoena to the chief executive officer, under the separation of powers doctrine. TJ basically took the position, "If you want me, then you'll have to come and get me. And then we'll have a full-blown constitutional crisis on our hands." Marshall -- very wisely, I think -- backed off, and that was the end of the matter.
Governor Bush must defend the prerogatives of his office and refuse to be bound by an illegitimate order issued by an out-of-control state judge. Just my humble opinion, for whatever it's worth.
Thanks so much, Jeff, for writing -- and for all the good works that you do.
And therefore you are only 3/5ths of a person. I'm sure you won't mind it the next time they draw the boundaries of your congressional district and you lose your representative. For your sake I am pleased that the Moral Outrage that you dismiss successfully stripped that unjust provision from Dred Scott.
In case it is not becoming obvious, there is a big difference between law and justice. Justice is immutable, and before it the law is expendable.
Dred Scot also determined a persons value? do you disagree?
Do we not treat a judges decision as law? I truly believe that you can not argue out of this one. Hmm lets cite some recent cases by the Mass supreme court to create a law that SCOTUS refused to review. If a judge determines something unlawful his actions are treated as law whether they are or not. This is a law whether defined as such or not. Do you disagree?
We agree that moral outrage is not law - but neither is immoral/unconstitutional decisions. I am not a lawyer but lets be honest, how many decision by the courts have no basis in the constitution? Shall these be enforced? By what authority? It is the constitution which gives credence and authority to our govt., if it is contrary then it should not be enforced.
This is time for Jeb Bush to push the test button on this one - we need this in our history right now - who is in power, the people through our elections or judges who answer to know one and as we have seen have conflicting opinion due to their ignorance and opinion of the establishment for their existence.
Congress has authority over all courts, they issued a hearing and this judge defied this congressional order - he is breaking the law.
He hasn't done all he can. He has within his authoirty as Gov. to take her into custody. The State courts cannot trump the state constitution as they have.
He is refusing to exercise his authority. He is aware of the calls for him to do it, but he claims he doesn't have such power. He isn't telling the truth here..
I simply said that it has no place in a court of law.
Aristotle said there are five ways to persuade someone to do your bidding. The first two are bribery and physical violence, which have repercusions of there own. The remaining three are ethos, pathos and logos, or ethics, emotions and logic.
Moral outrage is an emotional argument.
Alert the press, Brian Schiavo is drinking the Kool-Aid.
Point taken. But had we relied only on courts of law, who knows how long all the provisions of Dred Scott would have stayed in effect. You might still be less than a person.
There are other means to justice when the courts are unjust. Now is the time to use these means.
Because it's easy for them sitting in the comfort of their homes hidden behind a computer screen. It's easy to give other people marching orders for things they wouldn't risk their necks for.
As to the rest, what are you, personally, willing to do or accept to make this happen? Are you willing to throw out 220 years of law for the sake of one individual, innocent or not?
I do not like what is happening in Florida right now, but I am not, if we complete the Dred Scot analogy, ready to start a second Civil War for one person.
Are you?
Well, add me to that list.
I'll declare that I'm non-political and have severed all ties with the two major parties, that I have no faith or trust in either one. A pox on both your houses.
This is TOO BIG for me. I'm just an ordinary citizen. But my heart is broken over Terri, and I no longer trust my government to protect me. You guys can play politics if you want to. Me, I'll hang on Bread and Circuses: watching American Idol, playing on FR threads like "Thomas Jefferson warned against judicial tyranny" and I'll lament the decline of our Republic, fully realizing that the fight is too big for me.
Yep, it's over.
If Lincoln had not been willing to toss out "four score and seven" years of law-well, you get the idea.
He's disappointed me. Extraordinary circumstances require an extraordinary person to step up to the challange.
I don't blame Jeb for what is happening, but I agree he looks pretty feckless right now. That was quite a grandstanding press conference the other day, but all it did was tip his hand and make him look like he was puffing out his chest for nothing. He set himself up to get slapped down by Greer. Jeb could learn a thing or two from his brother.
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