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SCHIAVO INTERVENTION ENDS
The Hill ^ | 3/23/05

Posted on 03/23/2005 9:01:53 AM PST by areafiftyone

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To: KDD
Good summary of the case, and nothing in it contradicts or casuse me to change my position on the case.

In keeping in mind who would honor Terri's wishes in this matter it is important to remember that the Schindler family has testified that they would continue the forced feeding even if Terri had told them she would not want it...So who to believe?

That point, that the Schindler's would act a certain way, is only useful as a matter of determining how they interpreted Terri's words. That is, they may take her comment "I don't want to die on a respirator" as not extending to the withholding of food and water.

241 posted on 03/23/2005 11:14:34 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Military family member
I think the attorney failed, not the judge.

I haven't seen all of the pleadings, plenty of blame to go around. Triumph of process over substance.

242 posted on 03/23/2005 11:15:49 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: winner3000

I think the point is that it is for those in a PVS-- not those on death row who aren't in a PVS.


243 posted on 03/23/2005 11:16:08 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: edeal
So in short, you were attacking me for agreeing with you by not reading the conclusion, just a randomly selected phrase.

Reading your comments from a different point of view (other than yours) I found it confusing because it jumped around a bit. Now that you have ironed things out, I understand and apologize for the offense.

245 posted on 03/23/2005 11:20:41 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: doggieboy; PistolPaknMama; All
On the "Jeb Bush" thread, Doggieboy wrote:

"I am Christian and conservative, as is my wife. We believe that removing the tube is the right action as we both would not want to kept alive ourselves."

PistolPaknMama wrote:

"That's fine. Neither do I. However in this case, there is only the testimony of an unreliable witness regarding what Terri would want. That is the central issue, regardless of what you and I want for ourselves."

Miss Behave writes:

Michael "Husband" Schiavo: "When is that B*TCH gonna die?"

246 posted on 03/23/2005 11:21:23 AM PST by Miss Behave (Man who fart in church sit in own pew.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
ANY law would have been dismissed by the courts.

I think that's a bit paranoid. I read the decisions, and it looks like they are perfectly applying the current law that had already failed Terry. That law left it up to the discretion of the courts, and that discretion is ruled by law and precedent, unless of course you have an activist judge.

, making enforcement by the President and governors explicitly optional, stripping the court generally of the power of mandamus and not allowing any decisions at all on social issues.

Wow, an autocracy! Not good.

247 posted on 03/23/2005 11:22:03 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: GraniteStateConservative
"A husband is exercising his state-law-given right to make life or death decisions about his incapacitated wife"

His state given right trumps her God given Constitutional right to life?

248 posted on 03/23/2005 11:24:55 AM PST by monkeywrench
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To: steve-b
Take it up with Dubya; that's the position of the bill he signed into law in Texas.

Again, more DIM talking points. The law W signed in Texas was the result of a legislature that would not agree to a better law. W signed the bill into law because it was better than the existing law. Check it out...

249 posted on 03/23/2005 11:26:14 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: steve-b
Libertarians are very insistent on fiscal freedom, but they do not see that it must be a prerequisite to social freedom. These two areas of freedom are inextricably linked. Fiscal servitude makes oppressors out of the socially irresponsible. The two should be required to be in equal proportions. If you want the freedom to be a dirtbag then accept the responsibility of the consequences yourself. The worst outcome is social anarchy and fiscal servitude, but the libertarian argument often leads exactly there because they fail to see just how important the link is.
250 posted on 03/23/2005 11:26:17 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: tsomer

The left has set women back with this one.

If I understand things correctly, we have a 'husband' who is dictating the fate of his first wife. This guy is currently living with a woman, has lived with her for some time,with whom he has produced children. If this is true then she is his common law wife.

Were they married in the Catholic Church? Could the Church annul the marriage, and would that, taken along with the fact of his second relationship, present some legal argument for divorce, thus ending his control over her?


Exactly!! Shouldn't her being Catholic speak for itself, and your point about His having kids outside of this marriage, it has to be grounds for annulment or something, right?!


251 posted on 03/23/2005 11:29:21 AM PST by Treasa
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To: Treasa

Here's an interesting story.

The execution was halted late Tuesday by U.S. District Judge Terry Means in Fort Worth.

Means was acting on an appeal from Staley's lawyer who argued the convicted killer is mentally incompetent and should not be put to death.

"Judge Means' order was that nobody's ever heard this guy's competency question," attorney Jack Strickland said.



the convicted killer is mentally incompetent and should not be put to death.

Terri is being put to death because she is mentally incompetent.


252 posted on 03/23/2005 11:33:12 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Terriergal
Congressional Republicans who took extraordinary measures

Yeah right. So they worked late.

Hey, don't forget that they had to listen to the media say mean, mean things about them.

253 posted on 03/23/2005 11:33:23 AM PST by Glenmerle
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To: MacDorcha

Movies=motives.... why am I messing up THAT bad?


254 posted on 03/23/2005 11:35:52 AM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: Treasa

No...what we have is a husband who abdicated his authority and responsibility for his wifes medical care to the courts. Decause of reasons I can't begin to fathom, he chose to let the Court render the decision that dictated the fate of his wife. It was one of the first of many concessions that have been made in favor of the Schindlers.


256 posted on 03/23/2005 11:36:36 AM PST by KDD
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To: Izzy Dunne

Starbucks is a buck sixty for 16oz and fifty five cents for (55+) seniors in the 12oz size ~ here. :)


258 posted on 03/23/2005 11:38:14 AM PST by blackie
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To: GraniteStateConservative
A husband is exercising his state-law-given right to make life or death decisions about his incapacitated wife...who was NOT dying until the REMOVED the feeding tube...

Exercising life and death decisions by a spouse is for the benefit of the incapacitated spouse. What benefit is Terri getting from being starved to death?

If she was on life support, which she is NOT I could somewhat understand if heroic and extraordinary methods were being employed to keep this woman alive. It would be a tough and heart-wrenching decision. But this is not the case. The woman is being starved to death plain and simple. This will be the only reason for her death.

On her death certificate,if she perishes this way, it should read: Cause of Death: Starvation by Husband.

260 posted on 03/23/2005 11:39:12 AM PST by frogjerk
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