SCHIAVO INTERVENTION ENDS

The Hill ^ | 3/23/05

[TAdams8591]

I'd say you are
RIGHT!!!!!

[justshutupandtakeit]

So the GOP actions were not lunatic ENOUGH for you? How much more absurd is this going to get?

[TomasUSMC]

And in the Shiavo case, her personal liberty is being spit upon

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No one has any written copy of her opinion, and if she is killed, she won't have ANY personal liberty to be spit upon because she will be dead and when your dead .... you don't have squat! Soooo don't let her be killed. KISS

[Cboldt]

Yes. According to Congress and doctors on the floor of the House Sunday night, they said that thousands of times a day these decisions are made. I had not thought it was that high but will defer to their numbers.

I flatly do not believe that thousands of people a day die with the initiating and primary cause being starvation. You can believe it if you want, but I'd need a bit more evidence. The CDC must have a "starvation" column in their charts.

It's happened in our relatively small family twice. My stepdaughter works in a nursing home; it happens there nearly every week. She gets very attached to her patients and calls to tell me whose family is letting them go because they had a massive stroke or other medical conditions for which there is no hope and no one wants their family members to be kept alive on machines.

I fail to see the relevance of "being kept on machines" to the facts of this case.

[agrace]

Oh. I see that now that I went back and reread the statute. The presence of that almighty untouchable word "abortion" right under there should have been a clue. Thanks for the clarification.

[UCANSEE2]

I did not mean to imply Terri wants to die.

I was strictly referring to the fact state Medicaid is paying Terri's bills, and the Judge has allowed this 'assisted suicide' (with or without Terri's permission)so, it is a STATE FUNDED ASSISTED SUICIDE.

[Peach]

The court made clear he did not need to seek their opinion in this matter. What do you think that means?

[justshutupandtakeit]

There is no "bad Law" involved here just people unhappy with the result of the legal system doing its job properly.
Very reminscent of the thinking of Liberals.

[loveliberty2]

Guess there'll be no autopsy--therefore, no way to determine the validity/fraudulent nature of the claims the husband has made about her condition, or of the possible causes for the bone scan revelations observed by Dr. Baden a couple of years ago.

[Cboldt]

that is exactly the point. I don't know a single person in my family (extended) who has been starved and dehydrated to death. Zero. they died of something else. Maybe they weren't being fed the last few days of their lives, but that's not what killed them. I don't know why its so hard to make that simple point to alot of people on these threads, I have avoided getting into arguments on these threads the last few days, but some of these claims are really irking me.

Well, Peach is standing by an assertion that thousands of people a day die with the primary initiatinge factor being the withholding of food and water. She "heard it" from the floor of Congress.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Neither major political party gives a rat's ass about liberty.

Well, you'll get HALF your wishes because this is the end of the Republic Party because you don't give a rat's ass about life. Enjoy being ruled by the hedonist Democrat Party who cares for nothing but pursuit of happiness.

[winner3000]

I want now a legislature of a state where the death penalty is legal to allow the state to start executing criminals by starvation and dehydration. They can say hey: the New York Times says it's a painless death! Then we'll see the hypocracy of the ACLU and the other liberals at their ugliest.

[Peach]

What the House and doctors talked about what that thousands of times a day people are "let go". They are removed from machines and feeding tubes are removed. Many states, including Florida, consider feeding tubes to be life saving equipment.

And we'll just have to agree to disagree about some things, I can see. I'm heading out with my husband.

[Peach]

Could you not put words in my mouth.

What I said I heard on the floor of the House is that thousands of people a day are taken off machines and have feeding tubes removed.

[Cboldt]

The court made clear he did not need to seek their opinion in this matter. What do you think that means?

I don't know. You are the one that has the factual basis close to recall. I don't know what "this matter" is a reference to, nor do I know the procdural posture from which the court's comment was made.

Your comments on the point imply, to me, that you think Michael had the power to deny food and water to his wife, without leave from the court. I just found that amzaing, since if true, he could have starved her 8 years ago without the cost and trouble of a pesky court hearing.

[dfwgator]

There is no "bad Law" involved here just people unhappy with the result of the legal system doing its job properly. Very reminscent of the thinking of Liberals.

Do you think Roe v. Wade is "good law"?

[SURI]

Next time you are in the store ask them what they heard from Carla Iyers, the nurse.

Probablyu nothing since what would she know. Her testimony not mentioned in the "news". here affidavit not read.

But freind, she is the one that nursed her, day in, day out for some time. Don't you think her opinion would matter? The court doesn't. The "news" doesn't. And so you freinds haven't heard of her, have they?

Have you? http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player.html?032205/pol_schiavonurse_032205&FOX_Friends&FOX%20News%20Exclusive&acc&Politics&-1&wvx-300

[RedEyeJack]

I agree... Senator Levin explicitedly took steps to prevent action that would have at least given her a chance while the issue is resolved in depth in the courts. He is the "pivot man" on the play that sentenced her to die before anything further could be done...

Carl Levin... Terry Sciahvo's executioner

[justshutupandtakeit]

That is standard for these fanatics. Look at the calls for actions worthy of a dictator. They actually wish for a Generalissimo Bush yet much lesser abuses of power has them screaming to high heaven.

[edeal]

If you had read it, you will see that I was responding to someone who was criticizing libertarians (notice small "l", Libertarians are nothing more than weed addicts who try to get Democrats elected). In the end, I said I like to err on the side of liberty and that Terry's free will is not being followed because her intent cannot be known.

We are basically taking the word of a man who is as far removed from her as one can be. He has a 9 year old child by another woman (not his wife), if i remember correctly. What bonds could he still possible have with her that qualify as a husbandly?

In any event, I believe that congress should not have HAD to do anything, but also, Congress has the right to defend the right to life. So, they can make pretty much any law they want which prevents one party from inflicting death on another without their consent.

Why can Congress regulate the labels on milk of a small dairy (which they shouldn't be able to do), but cannot act to prevent the state from committing homicide out of convenience.

So in short, you were attacking me for agreeing with you by not reading the conclusion, just a randomly selected phrase.