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Can GOP count on Latino vote?
NBC News ^ | March 21, 2005 | Mark Murray

Posted on 03/22/2005 12:00:13 AM PST by nickcarraway

Maybe it’s the Texas-twangy Spanish he speaks, or his pro-immigrant views, or formerly governing a state that shares a border with Mexico, or even his Latino-heartthrob nephew. But whatever the reason, George W. Bush seems to have been more popular with Latino voters than any other Republican presidential candidate before him.

In 1996, two years after Republican Gov. Pete Wilson of California championed Proposition 187, which barred illegal immigrants from receiving health and social services and which infuriated the Latino community, Bob Dole received support from just 21 percent of Latino voters, according to exit polls. But in 2000, Bush increased that amount to 35 percent. And last year, exit polls showed him winning the support of 44 percent of Latino voters — although a later analysis by NBC News lowered that figure to a still-impressive 40 percent.

That standing will certainly be on display Wednesday, when Bush meets at his Crawford ranch with Mexican President Vicente Fox to discuss, among other things, Bush’s plan to grant legal status to millions of undocumented workers who live in this country. The meeting will also give Bush another opportunity to practice his Spanish and call Fox “un amigo de mio y tambien un amigo de los Estados Unidos” (translation: a friend of mine and also a friend of the United States), as he did when the two men toured Ohio in 2001.

Growing numbers But can future Republicans duplicate Bush’s success with Latinos? It’s a question, so far, that few political observers have asked. But its political importance shouldn’t be understated: According to the William C. Velasquez Institute, a Latino thinktank, there were nearly 10 million Latino registered voters in last year’s election who cast approximately 7 million votes, and it projects that those numbers will double in the next 16 years.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Florida; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2006; 2008; aliens; bush43; election; elections; gop; hispanic; immigration; latinovote; republican; vicentefox
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1 posted on 03/22/2005 12:00:14 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

If Gov. Bush & Atty General Gonzalez save Terri from Murder
from these demons. YES, They Win..The Latino community
and the hispanic around the world is watching this event in Florida in Horror!

Whoever save her will win.


2 posted on 03/22/2005 12:13:12 AM PST by Orlando (THE PASSION OF Theresa Maria Schindler , DURING THE HOLY... Week!)
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To: Orlando

Im not a Latino , Im an american.


3 posted on 03/22/2005 12:21:39 AM PST by sanchez810
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To: nickcarraway

See that wall ? Someone has to guard it or 15 million Mexicans will invade. ooops they already did ...


4 posted on 03/22/2005 12:26:04 AM PST by John Lenin (What problem ?)
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To: Orlando
The main reason President Bush's support from the Latino community has risen is due to his open borders/pro-illrgal immigration policy w/ Mexico.

Has anyone seen the video Fox news played last week that showed children of illegals climbing on to school buses right next to the border to be taken to school? Not only were these kids children of illegals, there were Mexican citizens who illegally cross the border ten times a week on school days along w/ them! What an outrage. SHAME ON YOU, PRESIDENT BUSH!

5 posted on 03/22/2005 12:28:01 AM PST by libertyman (It's time to make marijuana legal AGAIN!!!)
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To: sanchez810

and I AM a American Veteran, and Christian, and Soldier of the most high. I was passing on info about the spanish people are feeling about the Theresa Maria Schindler major event, it's effecting alot of people around Central/Eastern Florida . It's hurting them to see this HORROR and EVIL and many blame Gov. Bush and the State Republicans in the Senate. Many spanish Democarts will not vote in 2006, because why they did, and are doing right now.

That's my report from Central Florida...
vet out


6 posted on 03/22/2005 12:38:47 AM PST by Orlando (THE PASSION OF THERESA Maria Schindler , DURING THE HOLY... Week!)
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To: Orlando

OK ;)


7 posted on 03/22/2005 12:40:26 AM PST by sanchez810
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To: libertyman

Let's not forget many terrorists are coming in thur our borders.


8 posted on 03/22/2005 12:44:26 AM PST by Orlando (THE PASSION OF THERESA Maria Schindler , DURING THE HOLY... Week!)
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To: nickcarraway
Can GOP count on Latino vote?

For those that think THAT way, I would imagine it depends on which party wants to promise the better goodies that day!

9 posted on 03/22/2005 12:50:59 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: John Lenin
15 million Mexicans will invade. ...

Try 25-30 million. The Census Bureau has been sandbagging the real number for years.

10 posted on 03/22/2005 1:02:35 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: nickcarraway
The meeting will also give Bush another opportunity to practice his Spanish and call Fox “un amigo de mio y tambien un amigo de los Estados Unidos” (translation: a friend of mine and also a friend of the United States), as he did when the two men toured Ohio in 2001.

Just before it really hit the fan, and Fox disappeared for nearly a year.

When President Bush addressed Congress on 9/12, only one foreign head of government was in the gallery -- Tony Blair.

When the sky turns black and the armies of the night begin to howl, that's when you find out who your real friends are. And it was the prime minister of Great Britain who showed up to catch our backs, with John Bull's well-worn brass knucks bulging in his pockets.

The British saw trouble and ran toward it. Many others that we called "friends" just ran away.

I think Mr. Bush knows the difference now.

11 posted on 03/22/2005 1:11:52 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Orlando
Let's not forget many terrorists are coming in thur our borders.

How can we forget. You guys remind us on every thread no matter how tangential the link to the article. Or is your side suffering from short term memory problems and really needs the reminder? Well you can relax, I don't think Dubya is interested in pandering to the terrorist vote. The terrorists will still be voting Anybody But Bush, just like the rats, and the right fringe.

12 posted on 03/22/2005 1:21:49 AM PST by Once-Ler (Proud member of the GOP.)
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To: Elmer Piddlestone
I enjoyed reading your nonsensical rant.

I'm glad you enjoyed it and I admire the brave honesty you show in admitting your comprehension skills. Big ups to yoself!

14 posted on 03/22/2005 1:38:09 AM PST by Once-Ler (Proud member of the GOP.)
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To: nickcarraway
aBut in 2000, Bush increased that amount to 35 percent. And last year, exit polls showed him winning the support of 44 percent of Latino voters — although a later analysis by NBC News lowered that figure to a still-impressive 40 percent.

About 40% seems to be the top number both in Texas and nationally that Bush/Rove seems to have been able to pull, even with vigorous catering, pandering, and schmoozing -- and even with a Latin in the family.

Fact is, he's getting most of that lever-pull from non-Mexican Hispanics. He gets a rough 50/50 split with Central and South Americans; I should imagine he does a little better among Cubanos. But Mexicans in the U.S. and Mexican-descended chicanos are stuck pretty hard on a 70/30 split in favor of Democrats.

The Democratic bias among chicanos isn't quite as strong in Texas, where many of the immigrants are from areas of Mexico that have been somewhat influenced by the proximity of the U.S. w/ respect to work habits and attitudes and which tend to vote for Vicente Fox's business-oriented PAN. These voters are the ones Bush and Rove have been trying to reach, with some success, on "family values" and immigrant-friendly messages.

But Mexicans from central and southern Mexico are altogether another matter, and their voting patterns show strong PRIista patterns of following party leadership very conservatively and cohesively, rather like old-time "yellow-dog" Democrats. The grassroots chicano political organizations are all Democratic and tend to show MeChista influence around the edges: irridentism, ethnocentrism, etc. They are effectively immune to the Bush/Rove "big-tent" charm offensive.

In the next 10 years, Democratic politicians in Texas expect to win the state back, this time for good. The hitch will be that there won't be as much room in the Tejano-led Texas Democratic Party of the future for non-chicano Democrats. Exit polls and voting pattern studies have shown Mexican-Americans tend to vote ethnocentrically, and some of their political writers, such as Tatcho Mindiola of the University of Houston (who formerly had a column in the now-defunct Houston Post), have shown a strong interest in examining white Texans' voting patterns for signs of discouragement and reduced turnout (vote suppression) when chicano politicians manage broadly to defeat white candidates for public office, as they have done in a few Rio Grande Valley counties.

While Aztlanistas continue to think small, in terms of a partition of the United States, some bigthinkers at NALEO, the National Association of Latin Elective and Appointive Officials, has begun to think in terms of riding a bloc Latin-American vote, if it can be encouraged to cohere, to a kingmaker role in U.S. politics. The capture of the entire United States is a glittering prize, questionable for even a disciplined bloc amounting to (at present) about 14% of the total population, and rather less of the registered voter base. But given the continued flow of illegal immigrants and their attenuated desire to assimilate (compared to predecessor groups), it might not be such an impossible goal in another 25 years. Referring to American political history, another political faction, the Republican Party of 1860, managed to capture not only national office but the national agenda for the next 70 years in the first such factional triumph in U.S. politics. They accomplished this feat with about 40% of the popular vote, by consolidating their regional vote using the wedge moral issue of slavery and leveraging the swelling immigrant vote, to achieve an electoral-college majority that produced a "second American revolution", as the Civil War has sometimes been called.

In other words, "it's been done", and it could be done again.

16 posted on 03/22/2005 2:19:24 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: nickcarraway

This is just another in the never ending pile of rat droppings attacking Repubican rank and file morale. We will see more pieces like this, maybe something like : "Can the GOP keep the Evangelicals from registering as Democrats?"
or " Sure Utah looks like a safe GOP state, but....."
Look the Latinos who came over are not idiots. They came over because they saw their futures in the GOP. Let's not be side tracked by ratmedia bull shiite.


17 posted on 03/22/2005 5:02:01 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (In dealing with liberals remember When you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and he loves it.)
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To: nickcarraway

ABSOLUTELY! They came through for us in 2000 and even more so in 2004. VIVA BUSH!


18 posted on 03/22/2005 5:36:05 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Orlando
Let's not forget many terrorists are coming in thur our borders.

Exactly how many are coming through our borders?

19 posted on 03/22/2005 5:37:17 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Once-Ler; Elmer Piddlestone
How can we forget.

LOL My favorite is their tin-foiled conspiracy to have a bunch of Mexican women get pregnant and come to this country to dump their 'anchor' babies in our hospitals. I'm picturing the steely eyed stare of Elmer Piddlestone doing a double take of every fat Mexican woman he sees on the bus.

20 posted on 03/22/2005 5:40:45 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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