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Renamed Boeing 787 Dreamliner hits 260 orders, first 787 fuselage completed
High-Performance Composites ^ | March 2005 | Staff

Posted on 03/15/2005 5:33:30 PM PST by Paleo Conservative

In keeping with its 7-Series tradition, Boeing has given its mid-sized 7E7 jetliner the official model designation number of 787, and the name Boeing 787 Dreamliner. Able to seat 200 to 300 passengers, the twin-aisle aircraft reportedly will use 20 percent less fuel compared to a plane of comparable size.

Boeing also announced that it has completed the 787's first full-scale, one-piece fuselage section, demonstrating concepts for production scheduled to begin next year. The first major 787 structure to reach this stage of development, the 7m/22-ft long, 6m/19-ft wide fuselage barrel section was completed in December 2004. The section was fabricated using a computerized tape laying process and was autoclave-cured. Windows and doors were cut and a painting process was tested. According to the company, numerous tests were then performed to confirm structural integrity.

The 787 launch helped Boeing end 2004 with a nearly 14 percent net increase in orders for its commercial airplanes. It has received deposits from customers securing nearly 260 787 aircraft, committing the first two years of planned production deliveries. In total, 191 firm orders have been taken from 15 airlines for the 787. Boeing also delivered 285 commercial airplanes as scheduled and plans to increase production to 320 aircraft in 2005, with further increases anticipated in 2006.

Boeing confirmed that Vietnam Airlines will take four 787-8s in 2010, valued at $500 million (USD) at list prices. The order is expected to be finalized in the first quarter of 2005. Continental Airlines, the first major U.S. carrier to announce 787 acquisition plans, signed an agreement to purchase ten 787-8s, with delivery scheduled for 2009. Rounding out the list of purchasers for 2004 is Japan Airlines Corp. (JAL), with a firm order for 30 (787-3s and 787-8s) and an option for 20 more. Deliveries are scheduled for 2008 and will replace JAL's Boeing 767s and Airbus A300-600s.

The Peoples' Republic of China recently signed a preliminary agreement worth $7.2 billion, which paves the way for the purchase of a total of 60 787s by Air China, China Eastern Airlines, China Southern Airlines, Hainan Airlines, Shanghai Airlines and Xiamen Airlines. Boeing has announced an ambitious production schedule, with each carrier scheduled to take delivery of its first 787 in time for the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing. Ethiopian Airlines also announced a preliminary $1.3 billion agreement for as many as ten 787s (five firm orders), making it the first African-based airline to purchase the plane.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: Illinois; US: Missouri; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 787; 7e7; boeing; composites
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To: RayChuang88

So why isn't Boeing proposing a bleedless system for the 747 Advanced? It's supposed to use the same engines as the 787.


41 posted on 03/15/2005 8:52:05 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (I Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: JoeSixPack1

Who needs a stand? Since we are told that a visual inspection of the tail is all that is needed, you can just do that on a walk-by.


42 posted on 03/15/2005 8:58:54 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Paleo Conservative
But the 747 was a lot more overweight.

True, but that was what, 1969?

Perhaps a more recent Boeing comparison might be in order. The 777, if the documentary I saw was correct, was spot on it's weight.

On this subject, I'd love to know just how Airbus plans to shed 10,000 or so pounds from the A380. You can only drill so many lightening holes and redesign so many structures. Perhaps an aero engineer can enlighten us.

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43 posted on 03/15/2005 9:19:47 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I'm sure the Vietnamese are familiar with the quailty of other fine Boeing products.

Now that is hilarious.

44 posted on 03/15/2005 9:20:19 PM PST by scottywr (The Dims new strategy..."If we lose enough elections, we'll get the sympathy vote.")
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To: RayChuang88

Any idea why the use of composites for the structure?


45 posted on 03/15/2005 9:28:22 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Seaplaner
Those Airbus marketing geniuses who came up with the five tonne overweight A380 just might be kicking themselves in tail feathers right now.

It's another Concorde.

46 posted on 03/15/2005 9:43:40 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Paleo Conservative
Who pays list prices?

No one especially launch customers. For a long time Boeing sold the 747 at list price. If a airline wanted a 747, they paid the list price or found a used one somewhere. Now of course that isn't the case since airlines have a choice for large aircraft.

47 posted on 03/15/2005 9:45:21 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: wagglebee
Damn! I guess I should have gotten my order in sooner, now it looks like I'll have to wait six or seven years to get one.

Wait a year and get a used one. You know they lose a third of their value when you drive them off the lot.

48 posted on 03/15/2005 9:46:07 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Young Werther
Except for the sexual peccadillos of recent times the comapny will endure.

Didn't the company just save $30 million or so due on a recent sexual peccadillo? Maybe they should secretly encourage more.

49 posted on 03/15/2005 9:51:57 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Seaplaner
The 777, if the documentary I saw was correct, was spot on it's weight.

How close is "spot on"?

50 posted on 03/15/2005 9:54:38 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (I Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Because it would be too expensive to redesign the power accessory systems for "bleedless" operation on the 747 design. The 787 design--being a from scratch design--incorporates "bleedless" engines from the start.
51 posted on 03/15/2005 9:57:10 PM PST by RayChuang88
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To: Tribune7; Seaplaner
It's another Concorde.


52 posted on 03/15/2005 10:03:44 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (I Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Seaplaner
On this subject, I'd love to know just how Airbus plans to shed 10,000 or so pounds from the A380. You can only drill so many lightening holes and redesign so many structures. Perhaps an aero engineer can enlighten us.

They could make the tail lighter.

53 posted on 03/15/2005 10:06:37 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (I Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

LOL !


54 posted on 03/15/2005 10:09:11 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Paleo Conservative

LOL


55 posted on 03/15/2005 10:10:32 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: wk4bush2004

I noticed JAL's interest in the B787. Is this aircraft going to have transpacific range? I was under the impression that it was a "rightsized" point-to-pointer for the domestic market.


56 posted on 03/15/2005 10:13:10 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Paleo Conservative
How close is "spot on"?

Well, Paleo, you've got me there, because spots actually come in several sizes.

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57 posted on 03/15/2005 10:20:50 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: corkoman

That's just so wrong and so funny on so many levels

58 posted on 03/15/2005 10:30:29 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: B-Chan; AGreatPer; RayChuang88
I noticed JAL's interest in the B787. Is this aircraft going to have transpacific range?

Easily. The 787-8 has a range of 8,500 nautical miles. That's enough to make Tokyo-New York nonstop.

Bleedless means that power accessories on the plane are no longer being powered by air "bleeded" from the jet engines to drive energy-generating turbines.

Interesting. Where does it derive electrical power from, then?

But give me a plane that can overide the system any day. The Airbust can't.

Pardon my skepticism, but I don't believe this. Who told you that the pilot lacked the ability to override the autopilot? I can't imagine that the FAA would certify any aircraft that wouldn't allow the pilot to take action in an emergency.

59 posted on 03/15/2005 11:22:14 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: Politicalities

Thanks for the 411!


60 posted on 03/15/2005 11:31:05 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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