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50% OF RUSSIANS POSITIVELY ASSESSES STALIN'S ROLE IN RUSSIA'S LIFE
Novosti ^ | 2005-03-04

Posted on 03/04/2005 1:13:47 PM PST by Grzegorz 246

MOSCOW, March 4 (RIA Novosti) - According to 50% of Russians, Joseph Stalin played a positive role in Russia's life; 37% are of the opposite opinion.

These are the results of a representative poll of 1,600 Russians carried out by the All-Russia Public Opinion Research Center in 40 regions, territories and republics of the Russian Federation. The statistic error does not exceed 3.4%.

Joseph Stalin died on March 5, 1953.

Middle-aged people have a negative attitude to Stalin's role, while positive assessments are typical of the elder generation and youth. 46% of people aged 18-24 positively assess Stalin's role in Russia's life and 39% of them assess it negatively.

According to 42% of the polled, today Russia needs a politician like Joseph Stalin and 52% disagree with them.

Most Russians (61%) disapprove the idea of renaming Volgograd into Stalingrad and 23% approve of it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: dictatorship; nostalgia; russia; saybrainwashed; stalin; stalinism; stalinists
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To: bert
They think that because they were spoon-fed that propoganda for their entire lives for generations. That kind of programming can't be undone overnight. The Soviet Union was nearly destroyed by Hitler because of Stalin, not in spite of him.

That man was a monster, and he's burning in hell as we speak.

61 posted on 03/04/2005 4:28:04 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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To: Lukasz; Grzegorz 246
That is thanks to Putin?s historical revisionism.

I read that Putin's grandfather headed Stalin's security detail. Is that true?

62 posted on 03/04/2005 4:36:20 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

....The Soviet Union was nearly destroyed by Hitler because of Stalin, not in spite of him....

History says otherwise. Hitler betrayed Stalin and looked to Russia as Reich expansion area. Stalin stopped him. It took while for the inertia to develop, but it did at Stalin's hand. To deny it is to deny historical realities.


The current thread was to discuss the Russian view. American views to the contrary are not really gerane to the thread.


63 posted on 03/04/2005 4:43:59 PM PST by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: ms_68

You have a point. The book of the Revelation in Greek
is referred to as the "apocalypse of John". Apocalyptic
biblical literature (and there is some in the Old
Testament but it has never been accepted by normative
Judaism) generally has the theme of impending doom,
catastrophe, and ultimate divine intervention. Since most
apocalyptic writings were done in times of persecution
it commonly employed bizarre imagery, symbolism, metaphor.
It was assumed that the faithful would know what all these
literary allusions were -- but NOT the persecutors. Thus,
Revelation was composed at the time Domitian was
persecuting Christians c. 96 A.D. Some references we
can readily grasp. Obviously the frequent use of the
number "seven" referred to Rome - the city of "the seven
hills". In any case what happened with Communism can
certainly be considered "apocalyptic".


64 posted on 03/04/2005 4:53:47 PM PST by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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To: T.L.Sink
Obviously the frequent use of the number "seven" referred to Rome - the city of "the seven hills".

Or "Bablylon the Great"...

65 posted on 03/04/2005 4:57:19 PM PST by Zhangliqun (What are intellectuals for but to complexify the obvious?)
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To: Grzegorz 246

They're of the opinion that absent Stalin, their parents and grandparents would've been sent to death camps by Hitler's lads.


66 posted on 03/04/2005 4:59:05 PM PST by Poohbah ("Hee Haw" was supposed to be a television show, not a political movement.)
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To: free_european

come on! the krauts ran out of gas at the front door and it was friggin' freezing and no supplies! Please.!


67 posted on 03/04/2005 5:11:03 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet
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To: Zhangliqun

Ancient Babylon was located on the east bank of the
Euphrates -- present day Iraq! When the ancient Jews
were held captive by the Babylonians the scripture
tells us that "we sat by the waters of Babylon and wept".
The "tower of Babel" that was built there is a biblical
story that illustrates the sin of pride and human
arrogance. The Babylonian empire fell in due time to
the Persians (now Iranians! - who are not Arabs). Perhaps
if we carry the historical metaphor into the present we
can call Sadam, Nebuchchadnezzer -- but without his
ability or civilizing inclination.


68 posted on 03/04/2005 5:30:03 PM PST by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Its not like they've been getting a proper education on Stalin over there


69 posted on 03/04/2005 5:50:27 PM PST by GeronL (Condi will not be mistaken for a cleaning lady)
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To: Grzegorz 246

If he had such a positive influence on Russia, how come his daughter Svetlana Alliluyeva defected to the West in the 60's?


70 posted on 03/04/2005 7:06:53 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: bert
The current thread was to discuss the Russian view. American views to the contrary are not really gerane to the thread.

And the Russian viewpoint is totally skewed in the direction of what Stalin wanted his people to know, not what actually happened. Why would you want to grant any credence to propaganda?

Stalin was about as brilliant a military leader as Hitler. The only reason the fighting was so brutal was because the armies were very tenacious, not because the leaders of their countries had any clue how to run a military campaign.

Stalin was a thug and a delusional maniac. He casually signed off on the deaths of millions of his own people throughout his reign. I can't believe you would defend his "greatness."

71 posted on 03/04/2005 7:11:23 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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To: Killborn

And some of those camps held US soldiers after WWII.

But I have seen Stalin defended here by our Jewish contingent because he is credited with beating back Hitler.

I see no reason to doubt that Stalin was worse than Hitler and his blood is still in those who admire his Russian philosophy of dominate by terror.


72 posted on 03/04/2005 8:37:53 PM PST by Spirited (God, Bless America. No one else does.)
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To: T.L.Sink
"Most experts believe that most of Hitler's six million victims..."

Hitler directly killed (in death camps, concentration camps, slave camps etc.) at least 11 million people. If you include those killed indirectly - civilians, who died in result of campaigns started by Germans, killed enemy soldiers etc. - it is close to 20 million, If you add German soldiers and civilians, who died because Hitler started the war, it would be probably about 25 million.

However on the other hand I don't think that someone, who killed 4 people in one hour is "worse" than someone, who killed 4 people in two hours.
73 posted on 03/05/2005 2:09:20 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Paleo Conservative

"I read that Putin's grandfather headed Stalin's security detail. Is that true?"

I'm not sure. I think I once read that his grandfather was a Stalin's cook - anyway he must have been completely trust, because he could easily poison him.


74 posted on 03/05/2005 2:13:37 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: bert
Stalin saved Russia and prosecuted the war on the Eastern Front. Saving Russia from Hitler is worth remembering and may very well outweigh his terrible tyrannical reign of fury.

Of course, if he hadn't nearly destroyed the military with his purges, and crawled into bed with Hitler, then ignored all the intelligence of the impending attack the Soviet Union might have escaped with far fewer casualties.

NOTHING he did can outway the millions of innocent lives lost to that monster. NOTHING.
75 posted on 03/05/2005 2:17:46 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Grzegorz 246
Never forger that Stalin allowed Hitler to build illegal munition plants in Russia and they only became enemies when both wanted to invade the same country.
76 posted on 03/05/2005 2:20:13 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rush agrees with me 98.5% of the time!)
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To: Grzegorz 246

The figure that most experts give for the Jews, gypsies,
and others who were exterminated in the camps is about
6 million. John Keegan, British historian, whose recent
book on the First World War claims that about 10 million
died in the Great War and about 40 million in the Second.
You speak about those killed "indirectly", and in the
case of both Hitler and Stalin -- you can extrapolate
and guesstimate forever! For example, many historians
say that Stalin's purge of the Soviet military before
the war and his failure to adequately prepare for
invasion (despite many warnings) cost the lives of
millions of Soviet troops. Dmitri Volkogonov, former
Soviet marshall and historian, says in his book (Stalin:
Triumph and Tragedy) that the 1939 pact with Hitler
really put Stalin's guard down. We're ultimately dealing
with vast numbers and how to interpret them. It was
Stalin himself who said, "One death is a tragedy; a
million is a statistic."


79 posted on 03/05/2005 10:24:51 AM PST by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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To: libfo

I didn't comment on how many he slaughtered or how many he saved.

My point that is being lost on all those wanting to dis Stalin and let off some anticommunist steam, is that the Russians have good reason for positively assesing Stalin. He was the leader in WWII and regardless of shortcomings led a military effort to defeat Hitler. He saved Mother Russia.


80 posted on 03/05/2005 10:34:36 AM PST by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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