[William of Orange]

here on the westcoast in the Netherlands it was minus 11 centigrade during the night, and we had a few inches of snow the last few days, it's abnormally cold for the time of the year and I have wasted no time rubbing it into the faces of the adherents of 'global warming' in my workplace.

Climate change? OK. Global warming? My fanny...

[Cap Huff]

I'm more or less on the westcoast too. The thermometer outside my home office showed minus 11 (12 Fahrenheid --- I will always "feel" fahrenheid temperatures no matter how much I understand centigrade). Some snow, but not nearly as much as I saw up near Amsterdam yesterday. A guy I know who lives in Alkmaar said they had two feet of snow (there I go with that crazy English system again).

I too will accept that there may be climate change (it is always changing to one degree or another [no pun intended]), but I strongly lean to the idea that fluctuations in solar intensity vastly outweigh any human induced factors.

[lawgirl]

William of Orange- my hometown Orange City Iowa was named for you. ;-) It's a town of about 5000 settled by the Dutch in the 1870s and is still very Dutch. (we're all tall, blue eyed blondes. I am a prime example at 6 feet tall. :) ) My high school mascot was even the Dutchmen and we have a Tulip Festival every year.