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Another great article from the GREAT ONE!! Enjoy.
1 posted on 03/03/2005 10:54:41 PM PST by Former Military Chick
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When I tell friends that I think the Islamofascists are going to nuke NY and DC, they don't believe me. When I tell them Islam is at war with Western civilization they don't believe me. "Liberals" are detached from reality. They're all naive and I think active traitors.

There's a major cultural war going on between the "liberals", leftists and America. They all want us dead. Simple as that.


37 posted on 03/04/2005 8:11:04 AM PST by garyhope
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To: Former Military Chick

Too much info from BS. I liked him better when I didn't know he was an ineffectual, indulgent father.

This kid of his will have all of Ben Stein's money spent six months after Mr. Stein's funeral.

It's a pity.


43 posted on 03/04/2005 12:02:42 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: Former Military Chick
But as I, who make the family's living and whose health is never great, went about the house cleaning, I called Tommy to ask how he could have made such a mess. He was surly and refused even the slightest admission of responsibility or apology.

Ben, here's a clue: read the underlined passage ten times and see if you can spot it... Tommy's mess; your cleaning.

Far too many parents expect their children to be their buddies instead of their children. Be a parent and don't be afraid to piss them off to teach an important lesson. He made the mess, he cleans it up, or he never gets to use the house again. Period.

46 posted on 03/04/2005 12:26:39 PM PST by TChris (Most people's capability for inference is severely overestimated)
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Sounds like Ben Stein is not a very good parent. Kid sounds spoiled and maniuplative.


49 posted on 03/04/2005 1:58:28 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Former Military Chick

I reread this article again, and actually, I'm apalled by every part of this article. His insinuation that he is a "chosen" lucky person, that he mentions how wealthy he is about 10 times during the article, that he seems castrated by his teenage son, that he takes everything some CBS reporter says at face value, and that he was in that horrible movie, SON OF THE MASK. Oh, he didn't mention that, did he. Well, if I were him, I wouldn't mention it either! :)


52 posted on 03/04/2005 2:09:06 PM PST by Hildy
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Those for whom Ben would use the term friends are fortunate indeed. This is one very good man ... that's my term for someone with whom I would spend time in conversation and reflection if possible. To put that in perspective, I've said the same of Mel Gibson and don't anticipate ever meeting him face-to-face either.


53 posted on 03/04/2005 2:13:50 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: GeronL; willyboyishere; stainlessbanner; hatfieldmccoy; Yaelle; Choose Ye This Day; Lovergirl; ...
When Mr. Stein has a new article available I always have looked forward to posting it on Free Republic to discuss his views he brought up through his words.

Frankly I felt disappointed this round. Granted Free Republic is a place to exchange thoughts, frustrations to enjoy a healthy debate.

Instead I found some to be quite harsh on Ben's relationship with his son or lack there of. I cannot speak as a parent but the following are my observations; that his son is pretty typical and the incident portrayed may not be the norm. To say that he is not a good parent seems harsh. It is important to offer opinions, criticisms but some of the comments were well to use the term harsh again best describes it. A friend told me after reading this article that she and her husband did not want to see themselves in his words but they did. I wonder if any on the thread felt that way?

Mr. Stein is a very humble and kind man. He represents my conservative values and when I disagree with his writings I say it with well the idea that if he were to read our threads on Free Republic it would have a postive effect. As they say you can bring them in with honey. So many conservatives take a gander at Free Republic.

How does one offer advice for teens? I saw many had and I saw other comments that well seems to write him off, if for no other reason that his article about his relationship with his son. When Mr. Stein is on he is ON. As shown by the previous threads on Free Republic I have added that to the bottom of this comment. Some were better than others but I have to tell you the one on Wal Mart, Reagan, How Was Your Day? (Ben shares of his hosting a military member and family) AWESOME, Christmas Peace (The voice of a true American Patriot - most read) were excellent and worthy of a reread.

Again, I am in good company with those who I ping to Stein's columns and I hope you take away from my comment an honest observation and without malice.

cricket -God Bless Ben Stein. . .the perfect 'imperfect'. maybe Ben could ask Tommy to write what HE is thankful for. . .and include Tommy thougtts in his next article - witih permision, of course. . .might help - couldn't hurt
Cricket, I actually think that is an excellent idea.

sevry - sports
sevry, sports really help to shape our youth and I agree that is an excellent suggestion

MinuteGal Some of us are not at all surprised about the brat's selfishness and loutishness.
I must have missed it but does this one experince a brat make?

cubreporter Tom or Tommy isn't going to be the key. It's how he is being raised and what kinds of responsibilities he is being taught. I think Ben Stein is doing this tongue in cheek, dont you? I bet he has a loving relationship with his son Tom/Tommy and it's nothing like he jokes about.
I actually found your comments insightful and maybe he is doing this tongue and cheek, he is a comdiean?

Choose Ye This Day I do not think it is tongue in cheek. I believe Ben does have a loving relationship with Tommy, but perhaps not a parent-as-authority-deserving-of-respect-and-obedience relationship.
CYTD, exellent suggestion.

TChris -Far too many parents expect their children to be their buddies instead of their children. Be a parent and don't be afraid to piss them off to teach an important lesson. He made the mess, he cleans it up, or he never gets to use the house again. Period.
Actually I get it TChris, there are parents who do not want push their kids away so they move from the discipliarian to the buddy and in the end it hurts both of them. Lesson learned.

Hildy Sounds like Ben Stein is not a very good parent. Kid sounds spoiled and maniuplative.
Hildy, we will have to agree to disagree.

xsmommy my feelings exactly! i cannot respect someone that allows their kids free rein like this. it is astounding to me.
Kids will be kids and parents will be parents. Don't do as I do. Learn from mistakes.

MHGinTN Those for whom Ben would use the term friends are fortunate indeed. This is one very good man ... that's my term for someone with whom I would spend time in conversation and reflection if possible. To put that in perspective, I've said the same of Mel Gibson and don't anticipate ever meeting him face-to-face either.
Thoughtful comment and insightful.

over3Owithabrain Agreed - Stein is a real asset to this country and conservatism. He makes inroads where others cannot. Doesn't make him the perfect dad or always strong when it comes to our War on Terror. But people here need to reread the great things he said about God and country in the article.
I wish there were more of his kind in LA, at least we have Ben.

GopherIt Ben bares his soul every month in AS. He is a very generous man, and God bless him
He is generous and a true patriot. He loves his country, he loves and supports our troops and would give the shirt off his back if it would help another. Like giving a military family a chance to reunite. How many others in LA can you say do that?

02/20/2005 FOX NEWS: Hollywood vs. America (tonight 2/20 9pm EST host John Gibson - Ben Stein will be a guestposted by Former Military Chick

02/19/2005 Ben Stein: One of Them (Tribute to Arthur Miller) posted by Former Military Chick

02/19/2005 Ben Stein: How Was Your Day? (Ben shares of his hosting a military member and family) AWESOMEposted by Former Military Chick

02/15/2005 How Was Your Day? (Meet Corporal John Quinones, of the First Cavalry Division.) [Ben Stein]posted by nickcarraway

02/12/2005 Here is a man who finally realized what the hollywood elitist really are.Ben Stein's Last Column...posted by GodBlessAmericia

01/29/2005 Ben Stein: Wal-Martposted by Former Military Chick

01/29/2005 Ben Stein's Last Columnposted by dvan

01/23/2005 Ben Stein: Tribute to Ronald Reagan (It's Ben need I say more) posted by Former Military Chick

01/23/2005 Ben Stein: Special Deliverance (another amazing essay)posted by Former Military Chick

1/20/2005 Ben Stein: Special Deliverance (another amazing essay)posted by Former Military Chick

12/17/2004 Ben Stein on retirement planningposted by Constitutionalist Conservative

12/16/2004 Ben Stein: Christmas Peace (The voice of a true American Patriot - most read) posted by Former Military Chick

09/13/2004 - How Can Someone Who Lives in Insane Luxury Be a Star in Today's World? (Ben Stein) posted by stainlessbanner

75 posted on 03/05/2005 10:03:46 AM PST by Former Military Chick
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Good heavens, I'm older than Ben Stein!

:^(

I just assumed he was well into his 60's.


81 posted on 03/05/2005 11:03:01 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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Looks like he's doing the typical Hollywood-lousy job of raising a spoiled Mr. Precious, who is in obvious need of a swift kick in the ass.

Sorry Ben, you blew it with your snotty kid.

85 posted on 03/05/2005 11:24:28 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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Now, here's the point I was promising to get to. It is one of the basic building blocks of human development to admit one's mistakes and to clean up after oneself. . . It was idiotic to think that any 17 year old, and especially Tommy, would behave responsibly in a beach house without his father or mother there.

I wonder if a tour in the Marine Corps might not help in this regard. But then, considering what a deadbeat this kid is, probably not.

90 posted on 03/05/2005 12:01:59 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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I have been following this torrid love affair that old Ben has been having with his precious Tommy for more years than I care to count and have long since concluded that it is unhealthy for both Ben and Tommy.

How a man of his abilities could be seduced by his personal mid-life crisis to purposely create an alter ego, a "Little Ben in the guise of Tommy" is a testament to the lure of Hollywood and the effect playing make-believe can have on an otherwise rational and well-deported person.

At the rate this piece portends, what with the reckless drag-racing episode, the miscellaneous vicariousness of Tommy's shared derring-do and the fawning of all involved, it may be time for Mr. Stein to begin to compose a eulogy.

105 posted on 03/05/2005 12:50:01 PM PST by Old Professer (A man's conscience is like his garden, it is his and his alone to tend.)
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Bump for good parent comment.


109 posted on 03/05/2005 2:32:38 PM PST by SiliconValleyGuy
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I have read Ben Stein's American Spectator articles for years and have been perplexed about his relationship with his son Tommy. As Ben relates his bringing up of 'Tommy' I always want to know where his wife fits in with the parenting. Did she throw up her hands years ago and just cede the parental role to Ben? It is not uncommon for one parent to be the good cop and the other the tough one. Sometimes the parent who doesn't give in so easily realizes it is a losing battle and simply gets out of the way of both of them. I love Ben and wish him well in his life but it will be a world class miracle if the doom and gloom he attaches himself to doesn't culminate in a very harsh reality check regarding his son. I think there is a grain of truth in some, and much more in others, in all of these posts regarding the saga of Ben and Tommy. The only thing that really seems out of character for Ben is his believing that reporterette. He seemingly accepts her world view which is at odds with what he has in the past written about his beliefs. Just because you are now 60 years of age Ben, there is no need to become 'an old fool'. Free advice from a reader fan.


113 posted on 03/05/2005 6:09:16 PM PST by mountainfolk (God bless President George Bush)
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Very interesting from Ben. I bumped this article yesterday for weekend reading and missed the controversy. My belated opinion is that parenting is HARD and I'm amazed by his honesty. However, I don't know if Tommy appreciates his father writing about his immature behavior...Teenagers are very sensitive and I shudder to think if my parents had publically chronicled my assinity at 17. Perhaps "Tommy" should be off limits and his follies kept private as a family matter. I've tried to tell "famous" friends in similar situations film and newsprint is "forever". You can't really take it back. Ben has a wealth of insight on other matters...He can't lack material. Thank you for the ping...I always enjoy his perspective and am always moved by his love for America!


116 posted on 03/05/2005 6:35:31 PM PST by lainde ( ...We are NOT European, we are American, and we have different principles!")
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BTTT


124 posted on 03/05/2005 9:02:43 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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Those of us who have been reading Stein's diary for years knew this was coming. I love Ben, but he relentlessly spoiled Tommy at every turn.

Oh, and I have an excuse to post Lara Logan pictures:


125 posted on 03/05/2005 9:13:30 PM PST by denydenydeny
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I love this guy


127 posted on 03/05/2005 10:13:38 PM PST by Vision (The New York Times...All the news to fit a one world government)
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Lara talked nonstop about how bad things are in Afghanistan, how disorganized the U.S. effort is, how undermanned we are there, and how Rumsfeld (according to her) has a plan to sell out Hamid Karzai and the whole democratic movement there.

I guess this will happen after we get that oil pipeline built.... But I guess there is some progress here - Logan didn't mention Haliburton even once!

144 posted on 03/07/2005 8:02:33 AM PST by Mannaggia l'America
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ping


150 posted on 03/07/2005 4:11:56 PM PST by Former Military Chick
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Ben Stein is one of the coolest cats to ever walk the planet.

Absolutely adore him !

Thanks for posting.


152 posted on 03/07/2005 10:47:18 PM PST by Selkie (Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go.)
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