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Russia moved Iraqi WMD (not surprised)
Newsmax.com ^ | March 3, 2005 | Charles R. Smith

Posted on 03/03/2005 9:11:07 AM PST by FeeinTennessee

Russia Moved Iraqi WMD

Charles R. Smith Thursday, March 3, 2005

Moscow Moved Weapons to Syria and Lebanon According to a former top Bush administration official, Russian special forces teams moved weapons of mass destruction out of Iraq to Syria.

"I am absolutely sure that Russian Spetsnatz units moved WMD out of Iraq before the war," stated John Shaw, the former deputy undersecretary for international technology security.

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According to Shaw, Russian units hid Saddam's arsenal inside Syria and in Lebanon's Bekka valley.

"While in Iraq I uncovered detailed information that Spetsnatz units shredded records and moved all WMD and specified advanced munitions out of Iraq to Syria and Lebanon," stated Shaw during an exclusive interview.

"I received information from several sources naming the exact Russian units, what they took and where they took both WMD materials and conventional explosives. Moscow made a 2001 agreement with Saddam Hussein to clear up all Russian involvement in WMD systems in Iraq," stated Shaw.

Shaw's assertions match the information provided by U.S. military forces that satellite surveillance showed extensive large-vehicle traffic crossing the Syrian border prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Moscow Paranoid About WMD

Shaw's information also backs allegations by a wide variety of sources of Russia's direct involvement in Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program. One U.N. bioterrorism expert announced that Russia has been Iraq's "main supplier of the materials and know-how to weaponize anthrax, botulism and smallpox."

Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Robert Goldberg cited former U.N. weapons inspector Richard Spertzel, who stated that Moscow supplied Baghdad with fermentation equipment to produce biotoxins.

According to Spertzel, the Russians on the U.N. inspection team in Iraq were "paranoid" about his efforts to uncover smallpox production.

Goldberg noted that no country has "done more to rebuild" Saddam's chemical and biological weapons programs or "been more aggressive in helping hide the truth" than Russia.

It is a fact that Saddam Hussein rose to power backed by Russian weapons and Russian money. Saddam was in debt to Moscow for over $8 billion for the arms he purchased from Russia when he was captured by U.S. forces.

The primary Iraqi chemical weapons were VX nerve gas and mustard gas, a blistering agent, both obtained from Russia.

According to the book "Russian Military Power," published in 1982, "It is known that the Soviets maintain stocks of CW (chemical weapons) agents."

The two primary Russian chemical weapons in the 1982 Soviet inventory were the nerve agent "VX" and "blistering agents - developments of mustard gas used so effectively in World War I."

Russian Chemical Weapons in Iraq

Iraq did most of its WMD killing using Russian-made MiG and Sukhoi aircraft equipped with chemical sprayers. In addition, Saddam used French-made artillery and helicopters to dump gas on Iranian troops and Iraqi Kurds.

Iraq obtained Russian delivery systems and the same inventory of Russian-made chemical weapons at the same time. Iraqi SU-22 Fitter attack jets were armed with Warsaw Pact-designed bombs filled with chemical weapons. Iraq used these Russian jet fighters to drop chemical weapons on Iranian troops during the Iran-Iraq war.

Iraq tried to use these SU-22 jets during the 1991 Gulf War, but they were detected and destroyed on the ground before they could launch a deadly chemical attack.

Other Russian weapons found with chemical weapons include the FROG-7 missile, 122 mm rockets, 152 mm artillery and the M-1937 82 mm mortars. All the Iraqi artillery missiles, rockets, shells and mortar rounds filled with chemical weapons are of Russian design.

Iraqi forces were trained by Russians in the use of chemical weapons and equipped by Russia with anti-chemical suits. The Iraqi armed forces were trained, equipped and supplied with the proper logistics to perform chemical warfare by Russia.

Lebanon and Syria

The arming of Iraq with such weapons has a direct impact on events today in the Middle East. The presence of former Iraqi WMD systems in Lebanon raises serious questions surrounding the Feb. 14 assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. Many blame Syria for Hariri's murder.

However, the possibility that Hariri discovered the location of the Iraqi WMD systems inside his country lends some credible backing to a Syrian assassination effort to silence him.

In addition, the sudden sale of advanced missile and other weapons to Damascus by Moscow also supports the allegation that Syria is hiding something for Russia.

Russian weapons makers have previously insisted on hard, cold cash payments for their missiles, especially after the fall of Saddam and the collapse of credit deals done with Baghdad. More importantly, the Syrian economy is in bad shape, making it difficult for Damascus to come up with the required money for advanced Russian weapons.

Instead, it now appears that Moscow has extended both very good terms and no down payment required to Syria for an extensive purchase of advanced missiles and weapons. This is in contrast to weapons sales to other "good" Russian customers such as China, which can afford to pay up front for weapon systems.

CIA Failed

There is no question that the Russian effort to remove Iraqi WMD systems was the most successful intelligence operation of the 21st century. The Russians were able to move hundreds of tons of chemical, biological and nuclear materials without being discovered by CIA satellites or NSA radio listening posts.

"There is a clear sense on how effective they were," noted Shaw.

"The fact that the CIA did not know shows just how successful the Russian operation was," he concluded.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: fbi; iraq; johnshaw; prequel; putin; russia; shaw; spetsnatz; syria; wmd
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Of course, I'm really not surprised at this one. And of course the MSM hasn't mentioned this one.
1 posted on 03/03/2005 9:11:08 AM PST by FeeinTennessee
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

ping


2 posted on 03/03/2005 9:14:17 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: FeeinTennessee
So will Russia move into Lebanon to retrieve them with the fleeing Syrians?
3 posted on 03/03/2005 9:14:29 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: FeeinTennessee
".......in Lebanon's Bekka valley......."

This might indicate a reason for the scumbag, Mafia-esque Syrians hesitating about getting their troops out right away.........Look at all the neat toys that they're going to be leaving behind that are buried in the Bekka.

4 posted on 03/03/2005 9:16:00 AM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: FeeinTennessee

This story has been running since the invasion of Iraq. It almost looks like Russia is being allowed the opportunity to clear the stuff out of Lebanon and Syria.


5 posted on 03/03/2005 9:16:30 AM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: FeeinTennessee

I'd like to see them try to move them now ...


6 posted on 03/03/2005 9:16:55 AM PST by tarzantheapeman (Give Howard the mike ....)
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To: FeeinTennessee

Wonder what Vladimir Putin's comments are ?


7 posted on 03/03/2005 9:17:38 AM PST by peacebaby (Moser, how'd you like the cover of the MA05?)
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To: FeeinTennessee; Destro; A. Pole; GarySpFc; Lion in Winter
You're about 5 months behind on this, this was mentioned all over the media, this was Kerry's October surprise and was proven to be pure BS. First, it was trumpt out to show that Bush has no control in Iraq and was proven false. The military accounted for the lost munitions since they used them to destroy some 500,000 tons of other munitions.

Second John Shaw has been removed from his position for corruption and there is an FBI investigation on him. He also had ZERO collaberating evidence, except for his opinion. Not much for a foundation, now is it?

8 posted on 03/03/2005 9:18:56 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: FeeinTennessee

So is this another "slam dunk"?


9 posted on 03/03/2005 9:19:01 AM PST by Publius Scipio
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To: FeeinTennessee
Moscow Moved Weapons to Syria and Lebanon According to a former top Bush administration official, Russian special forces teams moved weapons of mass destruction out of Iraq to Syria. "I am absolutely sure that Russian Spetsnatz units moved WMD out of Iraq before the war," stated John Shaw, the former deputy undersecretary for international technology security.

now,......exactly WHERE are those THREE 'Russian-SH' MYSTERY SHIPS that 'got away'?

10 posted on 03/03/2005 9:20:00 AM PST by maestro
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To: DoctorMichael; RightWhale

Why are you guys rehashing Kerry's October Surprise which has been proven by DoD to be a bunch of BS? The whole story was designed to destroy Bush's credibility and John Shaw has been fired for corruption and is under FBI investigation. Oh and his only "evidence/proof" was his opinion.


11 posted on 03/03/2005 9:20:44 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: peacebaby

I'm sure the same as when this BS came out in Kerry's October Surprise, the first time. Rehashing Democrat BS 4 months after the fact it was proven a lie doesn't make it smell any better.


12 posted on 03/03/2005 9:22:07 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: RightWhale

Giving them a chance to get rid of the stuff to avoid being nuked? Don't we have a doctrine that we would have to use nukes if we found the stuff being cached?


13 posted on 03/03/2005 9:22:11 AM PST by johnb838 ("You Have Ruled, Now Let Us See You Enforce" Need some wood?)
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To: FeeinTennessee
The Russians were able to move hundreds of tons of chemical, biological and nuclear materials without being discovered by CIA satellites or NSA radio listening post

Who says the CIA and NSA didn't discover the movement. We've heard that the stuff was moved, and that their were photos of the movement, for a good long time.

The difference here is that that the source is not some unnamed official, but rather a named individual within the government. IOW, a verifiable source.

14 posted on 03/03/2005 9:22:12 AM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: jb6

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=764


15 posted on 03/03/2005 9:22:38 AM PST by pookie18 (Clinton Happens!)
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To: jb6
You're about 5 months behind on this, this was mentioned all over the media, this was Kerry's October surprise and was proven to be pure BS. First, it was trumpt out to show that Bush has no control in Iraq and was proven false. The military accounted for the lost munitions since they used them to destroy some 500,000 tons of other munitions.

Are you confusing these munitions with the ones that supposedly went mission from the Ka Kaa (spelling???) valley in Iraq that the media and Kerry made such a fuss about?
16 posted on 03/03/2005 9:22:49 AM PST by AaronInCarolina
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To: DoctorMichael

I'd be willing to bet we have at least one geosynchronous satellite over Bekka.


17 posted on 03/03/2005 9:23:01 AM PST by oldleft
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To: jb6

I agree, this posting should be pulled...


18 posted on 03/03/2005 9:23:34 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: El Gato

Because John Shaw was working with Kerry on this, it was Kerry's October Surprise. Shaw was already under FBI corruption investigations and that is why he is a "former" member of the staff. Oh and his great evidence was "In my opinion...". Typical MSM crap that people keep repeating.


19 posted on 03/03/2005 9:23:58 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: AaronInCarolina

mission = missing


20 posted on 03/03/2005 9:24:35 AM PST by AaronInCarolina
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