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The New York Slimes can try all they want, but they will never be able to make a credible argument that our republic was founded on anything other than Judeo-Christian principles.
1 posted on 02/26/2005 12:51:03 PM PST by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

The article strikes me as rather fair and balanced.


2 posted on 02/26/2005 12:59:55 PM PST by Torie
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To: wagglebee
I remember hearing Mr. Barton speak several years ago. He had said that the first Bible ever published in the United States, was published by Congress (1800's) with the statement on the inside cover "For the use of schools". Apparently he has one of the few Bibles still in existence.

It is because of the secularization of our schools that our children attend school at home... where they should be.

Someday, we would like to take that tour with him...
5 posted on 02/26/2005 1:14:15 PM PST by Conservativehomeschoolmama
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To: wagglebee
The postmodernist seculars have to eradicate God from our history as well as every other aspect of life. Why?

Because without a higher moral source, they are free to enact any immoral code they wish.

To them, Neitzche was right.

6 posted on 02/26/2005 1:17:04 PM PST by Joe.E.Sixpack
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To: wagglebee
One of my favorite paintings of George Washington is the painting of him on the battle field.
Right before going into battle, it had George kneeling in prayer and looking up to GOD for guidance.
One can only imagine the horror and sorrow our founding fathers would have had, if they were to see how far our country has stray away from GOD.
8 posted on 02/26/2005 1:21:51 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: wagglebee
Bill of Rights
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Does anybody read this stuff anymore? /sarcasm

10 posted on 02/26/2005 1:34:54 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: wagglebee
I suppose the Constitution is a document that needs solemn faced people in robes to interpret for us.

You know, like liberal activist judges.

Secular humanism, heroin for the masses.

11 posted on 02/26/2005 1:37:06 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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Ping for later


28 posted on 02/26/2005 2:47:41 PM PST by jan in Colorado (Finally, be strong in the Lord, and in the strength of His might. Ephesians 6:10)
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To: wagglebee

Interesting posting. For those who homeschool, are there history books which have such a cirriculum?


29 posted on 02/26/2005 6:17:23 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: wagglebee
From the same article...


34 posted on 02/27/2005 2:53:54 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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I agree with Torie--ESPECIALLY for the NY Times, this WAS a fair and balanced article.

I am an amateur Washington historian and can say that their depiction of the General's religious orientation is accurate. I have gone to mass in three churches that he attended with some regularity (Christ Church in Philadelphia, Christ Church in Alexandria and St. Paul's Chapel in NYC) to get a feel for what he saw as he attended church. And though Martha invariably took communion, the General never did.

He also was a founding member of the Pohick Church in Virginia, so he was indeed an active churchgoer. But, he was not the type to drop to his knees in prayer and that famous painting at Valley Forge is based on imagination and not history.

He attitude was based on a melding of Christian teaching (the Rules of Civility that he dutifully copied at the age of 16 and lived by were of Jesuitical origin) and the principles of the Enlightenment--a combination that seemed to work quite well for him, and through him, this great nation.

35 posted on 02/27/2005 3:24:51 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: wagglebee
Mr. Barton, who is also the vice chairman of the Texas Republican Party, is a point man in a growing movement to call attention to the open Christianity of America's great leaders and founding documents.

Barton is a snakeoil salesman and a pseudo-historian fraud. He tries to pass off the founding fathers as if they were evangelical Baptists like he is, when in reality most of them were high church Episcopalians or Presbyterians. Many of his writings are also latently anti-Catholic and he's known for using questionable sources and quotes in his books. This guy does our cause no good, and the real tragedy of this article is not that the New York Times smeared his soiled name but rather that they associated it with legitimate views of the conservative movement.

36 posted on 03/15/2005 12:55:07 AM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: wagglebee
Political correctness has upended even our view of American history. Credit goes to the ACLU for the idea we live in a God-free, secular republic.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
37 posted on 03/15/2005 12:59:20 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: YCTHouston
"Barton is a very hard-working researcher, but what I guess I worry about is the collapsing of historical distance, and the effort to make really anybody fit directly into the category of the early 21st century evangelicals," said Mark A. Noll, a prominent historian at Wheaton College, a prestigious evangelical school.

That more or less sums of the problems of David Barton's pseudo-histories: he tries to remake the founders so that they fit neatly into his own 21st century evangelical theology.

38 posted on 03/15/2005 1:00:12 AM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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