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Single women choose motherhood by adopting Chinese girls
Grand Rapids Press ^ | 2/22/05 | Beth Loechler

Posted on 02/22/2005 6:56:50 PM PST by qam1

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To: nmh
It;s bad enough the biological mother isn't keeping her baby girl. Now you insist that a single mother is good enough for an adoption.

When the alternative is languishing in a Chinese orphanage? Absolutely. You're approaching this as if a single mom adopting a Chinese child prevents a married couple from adopting. That's not the case. The supply of orphan Chinese children is much higher than the demand.

STUDY after STUDY after STUDY tells you that girls, in particular, need a FATHER in their life.

Sure. Two parents is better than one parent, but one parent is better than no parents.

Doesn't it tell you something when a woman CAN'T find anyone who wants to marry her? NO ONE? I doubt that she'd make a "good mother" when what is STILL driving her is TOTAL SELFISHNESS

Again, what is better for one of these Chinese kids, living with a "selfish" American mom or spending their life in a Chinese orphanage followed by a life on the streets?

Just because these little girls aren't wanted by their biological mothers ... doesn't mean they aren't important and should automatically get screwed out of a Dad that SHE NEEDS in her life.

Again, the supply of Chinese kids is much greater than the demand. If you banned single women from adopting Chinese kids, that just means more Chinese kids will end up languishing in orphanages.

Heartless people. Adoption bigotry at it's worst with false scenarios to try and make it the ONLY choice.

What other alternatives are there? Being adopted by a single woman might not be ideal, but it's better than the alternatives.

361 posted on 02/24/2005 7:10:33 AM PST by Modernman ("Normally, I don't listen to women, or doctors." - Captain Hero)
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To: qam1
So at the age of 31, she decided to do motherhood -- solo.

Because after all, it's all about you!

362 posted on 02/24/2005 7:12:27 AM PST by Casloy
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To: nmh
There are ODDLES and OODLES of happily married heterosexual couples, a male and a female EAGER to adopt these little girls. Single, selfish mothers are NOT needed to "fill in" for the street life. You have NO idea how in demand these little girls are by NORMAL parentS.

Again, the supply of Chinese children is much greater than the demand. If you are a qualified couple, you will get a child.

Again there is NO shortage of eager NORMAL families and parents to adopt these children without resorting to selfish, single women who nobody wanted to marry.

Nope, that is simply not true. If it were, orphanages in China, Russia, Romania etc. would be empty.

363 posted on 02/24/2005 7:17:05 AM PST by Modernman ("Normally, I don't listen to women, or doctors." - Captain Hero)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
I suppose that if the little girls stay in China or Russia long enough, they may get a sugar daddy.

If by "sugar daddy" you mean "pimp," sure.

364 posted on 02/24/2005 7:17:55 AM PST by Modernman ("Normally, I don't listen to women, or doctors." - Captain Hero)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
No I would rather that more married couples with or without children would step up to the plate and adopt.

That's fine, but that isn't reality. If there are more potential adopters than adoptees, then married couples should get priority. That's not the case- there are many more children in foreign orphanages than people willing to adopt them.

And to that note....why aren't more compassionate adults such as yourself and the individual in this article stepping up to the plate and adopting older children in China that have been abandoned not simply the "perfect" infants?

This woman saved a Chinese kid from a terrible life and yet you still critisize her for not doing enough. Until you adopt an older child, I think you should avoid throwing stones.

365 posted on 02/24/2005 7:26:22 AM PST by Modernman ("Normally, I don't listen to women, or doctors." - Captain Hero)
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To: grellis
Overpopulation is a liberal myth.

The moment mankind became too many to exist directly off nature by hunter gathering in a congenial climate, mankind became over populated.

And it hasn't gotten any less crowded since.

366 posted on 02/24/2005 8:15:22 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
A below replacement birth rate is a good thing, as we are already too crowded

A below-replacement birth rate might be a good thing IF the borders were closed. With the borders open, a low birthrate results, not in population reduction, but simply population REPLACEMENT.

367 posted on 02/24/2005 8:17:36 AM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: Age of Reason
The moment mankind became too many to exist directly off nature by hunter gathering in a congenial climate, mankind became over populated.

That's a strange definition. There is nothing "unnatural" about humans farming. As the old saying goes, Hoover Dam is just as natural as a beaver dam.

368 posted on 02/24/2005 8:17:42 AM PST by Modernman ("Normally, I don't listen to women, or doctors." - Captain Hero)
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To: Modernman
There is nothing "unnatural" about humans farming.

Would you rather go hunting and fishing--or walk behind a plow all day?

369 posted on 02/24/2005 8:26:01 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
Would you rather go hunting and fishing--or walk behind a plow all day?

I'd like to have both options, if I was a bronze-age man. Farmers can still hunt and fish, if need be. Hunter-gatherers are SOL if their supply of game dries up.

370 posted on 02/24/2005 8:29:39 AM PST by Modernman ("Normally, I don't listen to women, or doctors." - Captain Hero)
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To: Rytwyng
With the borders open, a low birthrate results, not in population reduction, but simply population REPLACEMENT,

Well yes, that's what I'm saying: we don't have the problem of a mushrooming birthrate.

But the only reason we have a problem with mushrooming population growth is from immigration of ALL kinds.

Perhaps if this country were a nicer place to live with plenty of room and fresh air for its citizens instead of being shut into densely populated cities, people might feel more normal and start to have babies again.

But if people continue to live apart from nature, you can expect them to think unnatural thoughts and to do unnatural things, like not have babies.

371 posted on 02/24/2005 8:31:42 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
Perhaps if this country were a nicer place to live with plenty of room and fresh air for its citizens instead of being shut into densely populated cities, people might feel more normal and start to have babies again.

But if people continue to live apart from nature, you can expect them to think unnatural thoughts and to do unnatural things, like not have babies.

All too true.

372 posted on 02/24/2005 8:33:45 AM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: Modernman
Hunter-gatherers are SOL if their supply of game dries up

Doubtfull that all forms of sustenance would leave an area unless that area became overpoplated or a comet struck it.

But in the past--when there was plenty of abundant hunting grounds to be had for free--if the game left a certain area, people just picked up and moved over the next hill.

But when your crops don't get rained on or the locusts eat them, you starve.

Unless you go over the next hill and kill the people already living there for their farmland--or if they starve, they come over the hill to kill you to take your land.

Thus was war born: episodic shortages of resources and no empty land to move to would drive people insane enough to call each other sub humans, and then murder members of their own species--of their own human family--in the name of war.

So I suppose the definition of overpopulation is when people fight because they are trapped by having no place to run.

373 posted on 02/24/2005 8:42:51 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
"No I would rather that more married couples with or without children would step up to the plate and adopt. And to that note....why aren't more compassionate adults such as yourself and the individual in this article stepping up to the plate and adopting older children in China that have been abandoned not simply the "perfect" infants? "

You have no knowledge of my family situation. I don't reveal a lot of details here for all you "compassionate" types to make snide comments about.

Suffice it to say, I'm sure I've adopted a lot more kids than you have. And your attacks on single women that have also adopted children are narrow minded, short sighted and pathetic.

You might want to change that screen name. It really doesn't fit you.

374 posted on 02/24/2005 9:20:15 AM PST by Artist
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To: sphinx
"Do you still keep a Chinese adoption ping list?"

No, I've lost track. I'm a bit distracted these days....for all the right reasons. :^)

375 posted on 02/24/2005 9:22:54 AM PST by Artist
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To: nmh
Your argument would only make sense if there were married couples turned down for adopting a particular child from China so that a single person could adopt that child. That is simply not the case.

As several people (including myself) have posted, married couples who meet China's medical, financial, and personal requirements are guaranteed a child.

As others have posted, the number of single people who can adopt a child from China is dependent on the number of married people because only 8% of the dossiers sent by an approved agency can be single people.

In other more adoptions from China by single people means that more married couples are adopting children from China; and not than some married couple is being prevented from adopting a child.

376 posted on 02/24/2005 10:46:30 AM PST by writmeister
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To: pnz1

Good luck to you. The only objection I have is how much corruption is connected with adoption in some countries. It amounts to baby-selling, and the money doesn't go where it is needed but to officials who then live in luxury, and the money also functions to procure babies from poor women. Try to pick a country where the corruption is low. God bless.


377 posted on 02/24/2005 10:47:50 AM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand

Thank you. We have pretty much decided on Russia. We also seriously thought about Korea.


378 posted on 02/24/2005 11:11:59 AM PST by pnz1
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To: writmeister
No, it is you who is not making sense.

I never suggested that married people are being turned down. Orphaned girls or boys should ONLY be adopted by MARRIED, HETEROSEXUAL couples. Can I be any clearer?

To allow a single woman to adopt a girl will only add one more statistic to an already PREDICTIBLE future that is NOT healthy for the child. Girls and boys NEED a DAD too.


I know, lets look down on kids who are unwanted and give them out to whoever wants them. Never mind that you are NOT doing them ANY favors. A single woman, who NO male wants will NOT be as asset for an adopted child. It will be housed away in daycare ... because she "has to work" and she really is ABOVE that stuff ... so what have you gained? NOTHING.

All you've done is add to the child's problems for sheer SELFISH REASONS. Yes, on the weekend she can wear her child as an ornament on her arm so she FEELS good about herself.

You're really not thinking straight. From your "logic" a gay male or a lesbian should also be acceptable. It's no wonder that MANY kids are soo screwed up and you want to repeat the scenario with adopted kids who already have a few strikes against them. What child wants to face the fact that NO ONE, in her/his family wanted them? They'll always wonder about them. We are simply NOT going to agree on this so we might as well stop replying to one another.
379 posted on 02/24/2005 11:16:09 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
"You're really not thinking straight."

That's a real hoot, coming from you.

In addition to your incredibly mean statements about women that haven't married, you seem intent on remaining ignorant of issues regarding Chinese adoption. Since there are other folks out there that might actually want to be informed, I'll address a couple of your points for them:

"It's no wonder that MANY kids are soo screwed up and you want to repeat the scenario with adopted kids who already have a few strikes against them. What child wants to face the fact that NO ONE, in her/his family wanted them?"

The idea that a child wasn't wanted by anyone in their birth family is not correct. Not everyone can raise a child that's been born to them, no matter how much they want to do so....especially in China with the one child policy that's been in place for so long. Many of these girls would have been raised by their families if that didn't exist. Instead, parents have been tortured, forcibly sterilized, their homes demolished, they've been fined enormous amounts of money, and any of their children born without a permit have no rights to an education, among other things. In one case, a child born outside the birth quota was drowned in a rice paddy (in front of his parents) by local birth control officials. Living safely in the US, it's hard to imagine living under such a brutal system.

" It will be housed away in daycare ... because she "has to work" and she really is ABOVE that stuff ... so what have you gained? NOTHING."

The idea that being sent to daycare in the US is somehow equivalent to living in a third world orphanage is ludicrous. Mortality rates of Chinese orphanages in the 90's were regularly estimated to be at least 80%. See The Dying Rooms for more detail about this.

"I know, lets look down on kids who are unwanted and give them out to whoever wants them. "

Anyone applying to adopt has to undergo rigorous interviews with social workers. You're fingerprinted and checked by the FBI and Interpol. Not just anyone can adopt.

380 posted on 02/24/2005 1:32:37 PM PST by Artist
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