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1 posted on 02/17/2005 7:50:53 AM PST by Pokey78
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Steyn ping!


2 posted on 02/17/2005 7:52:24 AM PST by Pokey78 (11/02/04: The death of Zogby's "sterling" reputation.)
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Steyn should try to emulate me and be less well read. That way he would have only read Miller's "Death of Salesman" and could agree uncritically with all the critical acclaim.


3 posted on 02/17/2005 8:10:02 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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flag for later


4 posted on 02/17/2005 8:12:14 AM PST by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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And there are few surer get-rich-quick schemes than a savage indictment of the cheap hucksterism at the heart of the American Dream.

Even if you’re disappointed that a Steyn article is more theater review than Eurinal bashing, that line alone is worth the price of admission.

5 posted on 02/17/2005 8:12:57 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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>> "He wasn’t amiable enough to be an amiable dunce" <<

SMACK!!!!!


6 posted on 02/17/2005 8:13:06 AM PST by sd-joe
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Incisive, well-written and right. As always. Go Steyn!


7 posted on 02/17/2005 8:13:45 AM PST by TChris (Most people's capability for inference is severely overestimated)
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Mark Steyn was on the Laura Ingraham radio show last week, which was the first time I had ever heard his voice. What a funny and sharp guy he is, even off the cuff like that.

Loved hearing his voice, which is similar to Christopher Hitchens', just not quite as deep. I knew he was a Brit, but somehow didn't expect the rather cultivated accent he has. In fact, it's a very cultivated accent, now that I think of it.

I hope she has him on again. He should go on other programs too, maybe he has and I've just missed him till now.


10 posted on 02/17/2005 8:19:29 AM PST by texasbluebell
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But, as Noël Coward might have observed after visiting the Arthur Miller Centre for Sad Hollow Indictments, ‘Very flat, Norwich.’

BWAHAHAHAHA!

If I have to read "plays," give me Oscar Wilde.

11 posted on 02/17/2005 8:22:40 AM PST by Tax-chick (It's Monday again here. How are things there?)
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He wasn’t amiable enough to be an amiable dunce but he was the most useful of the useful idiots.

Another great Steyn! And I know that's redundant. Production of his plays will dwindle with time. Over-rated doesn't begin to say it!

13 posted on 02/17/2005 8:24:24 AM PST by Rummyfan
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Many people have pointed out the obvious flaw — that there were no witches, whereas there were certainly communists. For one thing, they were gobbling up a lot of real estate: they seized Poland in 1945, Bulgaria in ’46, Hungary and Romania in ’47, Czechoslavakia in ’48, China in ’49; they very nearly grabbed Greece and Italy; they were the main influence on the nationalist movements of Africa and Asia. Imagine the Massachusetts witch trials if the witches were running Virginia, New York and New Hampshire, and you might have a working allegory.

It is rare that I have anything critical to say about Steyn, but he missed the mark here. The relevant analogy is not whether there were witches in NY and communists in Romania. The relevent analogy is that there were not witches in MA, and there were Communists in Washington.

14 posted on 02/17/2005 8:29:18 AM PST by blanknoone (Steyn: "The Dems are all exit and no strategy")
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Miller "framed" the left's views/lies and dumped them on an innocent nation. The old trick is the new trick as dems dust off this ugly totalitarian tactic.

His genius was to give his fellow lefties what’s become their most cherished article of faith — that any kind of urgent national defence is, by definition, paranoid and hysterical. It was untrue in the Fifties and it’s untrue today. Indeed, the hysteria about hysteria — the ‘criminalisation’ of ‘dissent’ — is far more hysterical than the hysteria about Reds.

17 posted on 02/17/2005 8:35:39 AM PST by GOPJ (Troll post:...when everything sounds like a lefty view of the Right)
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I must have missed it. The last great idea the Left had was in the 30s. And contrary to the lament of Arthur Miller's famous character, capitalism is alive and well. That's news to those who really need to sit up and pay attention.

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

19 posted on 02/17/2005 8:37:57 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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I always get Normal Lear and Arthur Miller confused. I have trouble keeping all of the "entertainer" commies seperated.


20 posted on 02/17/2005 8:39:00 AM PST by Durus
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Steyn nails it again. BTTP


22 posted on 02/17/2005 8:40:41 AM PST by Richard Kimball (It was a joke. You know, humor. Like the funny kind. Only different.)
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Re: “‘The man who wrote Death of a Salesman died Thursday. And attention must be paid.’”

Excuse me, what was that you were saying, I wasn’t paying attention? You see I am a little focused on the death of a really important person. Sister Lucia de Jesus dos Santos, the child seer of Fatima. She died at the age of 97. I assure she was more valuable to humanity than any overrated play write, whose work was forced down the throats of every high school student. Does anyone like Miller’s work who isn’t trying to smooze the teacher for an “A”?

Re: “….British director David Thacker’s assessment of Miller as just below Shakespeare. ‘He is as great as any writer in the history of playwriting,’ declared Thacker.”

//Barf// Has literature in Britain really fallen that far down?!?!?! Well if that is the case we can officially declare the end of Western Civilization.

Re: “He was the ‘Moral Voice of the American Stage’ (the New York Times headline) with ‘A Morality that Stared Down Sanctimony’”

In a related obit, the “Moralist” Judas Iscariot dies after loosing a long battle with depression and suffering at the hands of an uncaring and controlling cult who drove him to despair.

Re: “‘that he could live with this unfortunate woman (Marilyn Monroe) for over four years and yet be capable of no greater insights into her character.’”

I don’t think her “character” was what was on Miller’s mind. Heah!!! Miller, eyes up about 8 inches buddy!

Re: Miller’s body of work

Has anyone seen where Reagan put that ash bin of history?
24 posted on 02/17/2005 8:47:44 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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Is there anybody or anything Steyn can't write intelligently about?


28 posted on 02/17/2005 8:59:13 AM PST by Gritty ("Lefties most cherished article of faith; national defence is paranoid and hysterical-Mark Steyn)
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bump--Susan Sontag--now Arthur Miller. Oblivion awaits.


30 posted on 02/17/2005 9:01:43 AM PST by Mamzelle
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bump


31 posted on 02/17/2005 9:02:17 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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Although I mainly agree with Steyn, no difficult chore, I feel compelled to say a few words in Miller's defense. Towards the end of his life Miller repudiated socialism, although admittedly it was a soft repudiation. He said, "There is hardly a week that passes when I don't ask the unanswerable question: what am I now convinced of that will turn out to be ridiculous? And yet one can't forever stand on the shore; at some point, filled with indecision, scepticism, reservation and doubt, you either jump in or concede that life is forever elsewhere." He was clearly referring to his socialist political views.

Miller also visited Cuba only a year or so ago and wrote, in The New York Times, a scathing critique of Castro, with whom he and his group met for hours. He called Castro a long-winded bore trapped in the fantasies of the past, or words to that effect.

Miller's politics changed over time, and he should be accorded some credit for that.

32 posted on 02/17/2005 9:02:43 AM PST by beckett
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[The Crucible] was a marvellous inspiration to recast the communist ‘hysteria’ of the 1950s as the Salem witch trials of the 1690s. Many people have pointed out the obvious flaw — that there were no witches, whereas there were certainly communists.

Equating the Salem witch trials with congressional hearings into Soviet espionage is ridiculous. For one thing, witnesses before congressional committees have even more rights than do those in a court of law, in that they may invoke the fifth amendment (against self-incrimination) for each question they are asked. The Salem witch trials took place before there even was a fifth amendment, as Giles Corey, one of the defendants, found out--he was killed for refusing to testify.

Although there were no witches at Salem, Miller--and those who characterized the hunt for Russian spies, propagandists, and saboteurs as "witch hunts"--may have inadvertently made a point that witches and Communists do, indeed, have something in common: witches try to manipulate supernatural and cosmic forces (casting spells, turning people into frogs, etc.), whereas Communists claim to be manipulating social and historical forces to bring on the dictatorship of the proletariat, the withering away of the state, a classless society in which the New Soviet Man flourishes, etc.

37 posted on 02/17/2005 9:19:43 AM PST by Taft in '52
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