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City can bar 'family values' message (Flier with no mention of homosexuality deemed 'homophobic')
World Net Daily ^ | February 17, 2005 | World Net Daily

Posted on 02/17/2005 2:42:11 AM PST by ViLaLuz

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To: OhioAttorney

But my point is that even though we might know exactly what they meant, that doesn't make it against the law.

We can only judge the women's flier based on its content, not on other people's interpretations.

It's free speech. If we go through society and never see or hear something that "offends" us, then we do not live in a free society.


41 posted on 02/17/2005 8:29:39 AM PST by Maverick32984
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To: FourtySeven
As you can probably tell from my further posts in this thread, I agree with you.

Thanks also for calling attention to the fact that the workplace maintained a bulletin board where all sorts of political and sexual-orientation stuff was posted. That point makes the two women's First Amendment case even stronger.

42 posted on 02/17/2005 8:31:47 AM PST by OhioAttorney
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To: Maverick32984
But my point is that even though we might know exactly what they meant, that doesn't make it against the law.

Right, but no one is claiming it does. The city claimed that the flier violated their internal policy against 'discrimination', which arguably does call for simple consideration of how a statement may make someone else 'feel'. It certainly would in a private-sector workplace (including mine), where failure to practice common courtesy can easily get you fired. (Not jailed; not fined; fired. This isn't a question of the legality of the speech.)

It's free speech. If we go through society and never see or hear something that "offends" us, then we do not live in a free society.

The exercise of free speech has consequences, and the First Amendment doesn't protect you from them. The only reason these women have a claim is that the First Amendment does bind public-sector employers.

43 posted on 02/17/2005 8:36:50 AM PST by OhioAttorney
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To: OhioAttorney

That makes more sense, thanks.

The sad truth is that in situations like this, the only solution is to ban all non-work-related e-mails and bulletin board postings.


44 posted on 02/17/2005 8:45:23 AM PST by Maverick32984
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To: Maverick32984
The sad truth is that in situations like this, the only solution is to ban all non-work-related e-mails and bulletin board postings.

I agree with you, both that it's the only solution and that it's sad. At any rate it's what private-sector employers generally do, precisely because there's almost no way to allow stuff like that to get posted without annoying somebody. And whether people are annoyed 'justifiably' or not, the main thing at work is work and there's no real reason to tolerate non-work-related disruptions.

45 posted on 02/17/2005 8:55:40 AM PST by OhioAttorney
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To: OhioAttorney
(Of course there are also several important federal statutes touching on workplace discrimination, and under those statutes even a private-sector employer might well have been required to take down such a flier; that's probably in part why the city was so itchy about this one. But for those statutes you can thank not 'activist judges' but a Democrat-controlled legislature.)
46 posted on 02/17/2005 9:12:29 AM PST by OhioAttorney
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To: ViLaLuz
This just in, of possible relevance: Christian proselytizing of gays isn't 'hate speech' in Philadelphia.

On Free Republic: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1345317/posts.

The original article: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42372.

It's not directly on point, and it's not binding precedent since it's in another district. Nevertheless I'll bet the attorneys on this case find a way to work it in.

47 posted on 02/17/2005 9:59:49 AM PST by OhioAttorney
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To: OhioAttorney
Oops. Original article: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42905.
48 posted on 02/17/2005 10:01:49 AM PST by OhioAttorney
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To: DannyTN
I would accept the ruling and use it as precedent to block all values adjustment education, training and advocacy (anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-this and that, pro-diversity, pro-this and that) in the workplace. Punish and terminate those who violate real standards of behavior and publicize the results. End the reeducation camps.
49 posted on 02/17/2005 10:08:50 AM PST by jimfree (Freep and Ye Shall Find)
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To: Robert Drobot
"Federal courts in Northern California are bursting with commie/socialist/anti-religion judges. The only surprise that won't come from this is Regina Rederford and Robin Christy getting assistance from the ACLU to appeal this anal-retentive's decision."

Screw the ACLU. If I were in their shoes I would call the ACLJ.

50 posted on 02/17/2005 4:43:26 PM PST by ViLaLuz
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To: newzjunkey
"I don't see any persecution of Christians. These two "Christians" set out to deliberately retaliate against the homosexual's announcement of a group.

Good for them. I back them 100%. I applaud their courage and strength.

51 posted on 02/17/2005 4:45:11 PM PST by ViLaLuz
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To: TommyDale
"Heterophobia!"

AND CHRISTOPHOBIA!

52 posted on 02/17/2005 4:47:16 PM PST by ViLaLuz
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To: sasafras
"This is why we can not continue to look the other way - for too long Christians, social conservatives and republicans have not said anything fearing to be called a name. The game is up we do not have to hide anymore JJ, PUSH, NOW, DNC, AFL-CIO, LaMecha, LaRaza, GLBT - these are all racist and anti-christian/jewish organizations. Wake up - they HATE us and we need to battle them for the good of our country and our children. There are many lurkers/Freepers on here who will try to put you down for upholding family values - almost all of them are liberals sent from the DU."

Oh you are so right!

53 posted on 02/17/2005 4:51:17 PM PST by ViLaLuz
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