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To: js1138; betty boop
Thank you for your reply!

Nothing in physics can be contradicted by biology. But physics, the academic enterprise, is a subset of the study of matter. At some level, chemistry, geology, biology, psychology, all have to conform to physics, but are not limited to the properties of matter studied by physicists.

The study of matter is in the domain of Physics – ordinary matter (Higgs field/boson), dark matter, dark energy.

I have been trying to say this in various ways for months, but the phrase emergent properties seems to be widely accepted by biologists. But emergent properties do not conflict with physics, and do not require extra dimensions.

Emergence is in the domain of mathematics – an element of complex systems. It would be presumptive to exclude dimensionality and/or geometry as a factor in emergence. As we have seen by Strominger and Vafa’s string theory proof of Hawking-Bekenstein – dimensionality cannot be thought a non-issue to space/time. It is a property of space/time.

You and Betty are manufacturing a need for phenomena that hve not been observed and which are unnecessary for conduction research. Before your extra-dimensional hypotheses become mainstream they will have to explain everything that is known and add something new to the pot.

We are not making this up. Cancer and pharmaceutical research continues based on information theory (Shannon) applied to molecular biology.

It is only logical. Every successful communication must have an inception, a beginning, an origination. This is where we are focused. When you willfully decide to move your finger, a cascade of successful communications continues through your molecular machinery until that will is made manifest.

This does not require a physical field hosted in extra dimensions (beyond the three spatial, one time we are able to sense with our mind and vision) – but neither does it preclude such a field. If it were a field in our 4D block or even if it existed in extra-dimensions it would still be in space/time of a different geometry and therefore corporeal.

The only reference on this thread to the supernatural is my own and that applies to the unique willfulness of man - especially, individual man - as compared to all other life.

Right now you cannot tell me why there is a 100 percent correlation between brain damage and mental deficit. Or why there is a 100 percent correlation between the brain features and functions that humans share with animals, assuming animals have no souls.

Assuming what you say is true then all it establishes is that the space/time coordinate point of the inception of a successful communication (such as willing to move a finger) – is located inside the physical brain. It does not at all address the location of the will itself.

Nor could the will be located in the physical brain when we know of creatures who act willfully but have no brain (amoeba, etc.) - and other collectives of creatures (such as ants and bees) which act together with a single will.

It suggests that the will is non-local and real which is why we believe it is "field-like" if not an actual field, like gravity, electro/magnetism, strong and weak atomic.

627 posted on 02/16/2005 1:12:10 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; marron; Physicist; PatrickHenry; js1138; cornelis; ckilmer; logos; xzins; Phaedrus; ...
Nor could the will be located in the physical brain when we know of creatures who act willfully but have no brain (amoeba, etc.) - and other collectives of creatures (such as ants and bees) which act together with a single will....

Our correspondents seem to want to ignore this evidence, Alamo-Girl. Either that or they have not yet appreciated its full significance.

It suggests that the will is non-local and real which is why we believe it is "field-like" if not an actual field, like gravity, electro/magnetism, strong and weak atomic.

Perhaps there are biofields at work, extending both to life and consciousness. (The "ghost in the machine" may be facilitated by such.) There is much interesting work going on today along these lines!

Thank you so much for writing!

632 posted on 02/16/2005 1:43:29 PM PST by betty boop
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