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To: betty boop
Bear in mind that it is our observations and abstractions (the latter would include, for instance, the laws of physics, mechanics, thermodynamics, etc.), which are "within us," that enable us to do science in the first place. If they are not "real" (notwithstanding that they are intangible, non-physical, immaterial), then neither is science itself.

Agreed. Our observations and abstractions, including the laws of physics, and all the rest of science, are of the same character -- in your words: intangible, non-physical, immaterial. In my words: intellectual constructs.

They are not "things" in the sense that the moon is a thing, or that you are a thing, or that the photons of moonlight are things. Unlike you, the moon, and moonlight [** sigh **] all those other items are mere abstractions. If we all died, those abstractions would not exist. They are, as I said earlier, within us, and they are not additional aspects of the things we observe and about which we abstract.

In this sense, "science" is no more a real thing (like you and the moon) than is the English language, or any other intellectual work of man's mind. (Obviously, a book in English is a tangible thing, but that's not what we're talking about.)

365 posted on 02/14/2005 1:33:46 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: betty boop

These things (post 365) are what I imagine Aristotle would have said to Plato, and Plato in return would have rolled his eyes and responded: "Aristotle, you were my brightest student, but you are my biggest disappointment."


367 posted on 02/14/2005 1:38:12 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry

abstract placemarker


406 posted on 02/14/2005 4:23:53 PM PST by longshadow
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