Hyperbole is *not* your friend. I'm as against a national ID card as the next guy, but what passed today was not an electronic ID.
Hyperbole is *not* your friend. I'm as against a national ID card as the next guy, but what passed today was not an electronic ID.
Just a little of your freedom here and a little of your freedom there. Nothing much all at once.
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at least there will be some standards between the States in the form, content and anti-conterfeiting security for these ID's (I hope - After all, this is a Gov't project). As far as the loss of freedom I don't think this presents any more of an intrusion than a Social Sec. #, a passport or any other forms of ID now in use presents. If you don't like those for privacy reasons you probably won't like this, for the same reasons
Well, we have drunk driver roadblocks, seatbelt roadblocks, insurance check roadblocks, lack of license roadblocks, child seat roadblocks, so having to swipe your driver's license at each county line and city limits should be acceptable.
Not a good plan. Let's profile Muslims, first, and close borders, second. Then we'll discuss this sh*t.
I like it.
Terrific. I mean it.
So many people don't understand the basic laws of identification cards:
1. There is no technology that cannot be counterfeited.
2. If I can make people think that all they have to do is verify a card, rather than identify me, identity theft is pretty easy.
3. This will be the master card for stealing people's identity within two years of its introduction.
4. Within four years, any terrorist who needs one will be able to counterfeit one, and no one at the border will question it.
Result? Such a card would
a. Decrease security.
b. Increase identity theft.
c. Annoy many people needlessly.
Of course, that requires thinking about consequences.
This is not good.
"Republican politicians argued that the new rules were necessary to thwart terrorists, saying that four of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers possessed valid state-issued driver's licenses."
Notice that they were not "fraudulent" licenses...They were Valid ones. This means they were issued legaly. This means that these new licenses would also be issued legaly with all the bells and whistles. This is just a smoke screen for a national ID card that will do nothing except Identify every detail about us on the fly. Where did you go America ? Why can't they just catch them at the borders ? Must we all suffer for there stupidity ? We except this like frogs in heating water. The mark of the beast is not far from here.
The problem, folks, is with RFID.
Not having standardized licenses. In fact, if I remember correctly, it will stop states from giving illegal aliens drivers licenses.
If they start putting RFID tags in the cards, though, that is an entirely different matter. They can then track your every move.
Just put an RFID reciever here and there.. and whola!
Magnetic strips are one things - RFID tags are another.
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These threads always bring out the For the ChildrenTM or the "I'm not doing anything wrong, so I've nothing to hide" crowds whenever they're posted. It's really too bad when one is poised on a slippery slope...and doesn't even realize it's very muddy and icy.
In one instance last month, I was stopped twice in one day for license/insurance/registration inspection checkpoints. Not too much of a hassle, huh? I was forced to wait in line behind five other cars and delayed in getting to an important client before I could pass. Thankfully the people in front of me had their documentation ready. See the ugly problem lurking?
After that meeting, I was stopped at yet another checkpoint while going to my next business appointment. If one thinks for a split-second this is a voluntary traffic stop, try doing a perfectly legal U-turn to save some time and see what happens...
Before the flames start from the nanny-staters, I realize that the current licenses don't have transmission or GPS capability...but that is just because it isn't practical at this time. The insatiable statists would LOVE to have that monitoring functionality in the future.
~ Blue Jays ~
It probably is just in place to help illegals and foreigners, and not natural-born Americans, as in evidence in every other darn measure they've passed in my lifetime.
God bless you all,
xxoo
They can all rot in hell too.
This country needs an enema and it needs to start in Washington District of Criminals.
Another portion of the bill says that states would be required to link their DMV databases if they wished to receive federal funds.
If you -- state politicians and bureaucrats, parasitical elite -- want a cut of the money we stole from your state's constituents then you'll observe the master-cult rules. Only then will you get the "funds".
The bill was approved by a 261-161 vote.
This is getting absolutely nuts! So we issue Federal standards for state ID and drivers' licenses, but it's not a national ID card - it only contains Federally-mandated requirements for state IDs. Then we allow the states to issue them to anyone - including illegal aliens - because we can't "profile" or "discriminate". We'll only be able to require a certain percentage of Arabs/Muslims to produce the "REAL (not-national) ID" before we're accused of profiling. And this is going to protect us from the threat of terrorism how...?!
The following section is scary.
SEC. 102. WAIVER OF LAWS NECESSARY FOR IMPROVEMENT OF BARRIERS AT BORDERS.
Section 102(c) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (8 U.S.C. 1103 note) is amended to read as follows:
`(c) Waiver-
`(1) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall have the authority to waive, and shall waive, all laws such Secretary, in such Secretary's sole discretion, determines necessary to ensure expeditious construction of the barriers and roads under this section.
`(2) NO JUDICIAL REVIEW- Notwithstanding any other provision of law (statutory or nonstatutory), no court shall have jurisdiction--
`(A) to hear any cause or claim arising from any action undertaken, or any decision made, by the Secretary of Homeland Security pursuant to paragraph (1); or
`(B) to order compensatory, declaratory, injunctive, equitable, or any other relief for damage alleged to arise from any such action or decision.'.