"Well then, the question is whether creationism belongs in a science class, given that it's not science."
It doesn't ... unless you have your doubts about the motives and truthfulness, and honesty, about people who claim to know what 'science' means, people who claim to conduct scientific research 'objectively', people who claim to understand what 'reasoning' is .... in short, if scientists are trustworthy, then they have rights to kick out religionists.
But, after hard, unpleasant experience, I have found that scientists are not trustworthy, certainly not more trustworthy than Christians. I have found they have agendas that they push, and that they use evolution as a moral backdrop for some aspects of that agenda.
I have found that 'scientists' hate to compete w/ Christians. Now, the leftist scientists ... they make sense to me. They have bottomless hunger for fame and attention, because most of them have no memory of being spanked.
The atheistic right wingers here? They want to save the GOP from the Christians - that is why they fight for the 'rationality of the ToE?
They are mystery men (and women?); especially given that they basically stand watch at Freeper terminals year after year, and write the same stuff, year after year. Somehow, they believe they are doing mankind a service, all the while ignoring the real enemy: communisitic atheistic sexually depraved materialists who want to corrupt our kids.
Somehow, we Christians are more of a threat. It is a mystery all right. (Unless they are especially clever, long-lived trolls ....)
And they never post links that argue in a scientific manner why what they are selling here at FR makes good political sense for the GOP as a whole. The rant, but they fail to rationalize effectively their motives...
The 71 percent of the voters in this article ... they seem to 'understand' the big picture just fine. And, surprise, W is president. How ridicously unscientific of them...
(gotta check on something ....)
Does not attain, sorry. If the science is bad, the correction must come from better science, not the pulpit. Better science has always broken through whatever resistance existed before, and I see no reason to think that if creationists can come up with better science, they won't do the same.
I have found that 'scientists' hate to compete w/ Christians.
Doubtful. I have found a good many scientists - actual, working scientists - who are Christians. The "competition" you suggest simply does not exist in the arena of science. Perhaps some competition exists in the political arena, or in popular culture, or some such, but that's the result of a pluralistic society composed of many competing interests, and hence will not be "solved" by destroying science.
They have bottomless hunger for fame and attention, because most of them have no memory of being spanked.
Leave Hollywood out of it - they ain't involved.
The atheistic right wingers here? They want to save the GOP from the Christians - that is why they fight for the 'rationality of the ToE?
All three of them? I seriously, seriously doubt you can name more self-avowed atheists on these threads than that. You never know, though, so feel free to try, I guess.
You're battling imaginary monsters, my friend - there is no vast, atheistic conspiracy here, of all places. The vast majority of the debate on evolution here is conducted by and among people with various religious beliefs. They may not line up 100% with your beliefs, but they exist nonetheless, and are far, far more numerous than the atheists who post here.
They are mystery men (and women?); especially given that they basically stand watch at Freeper terminals year after year, and write the same stuff, year after year.
LOL. It's easy to see what you want to see, sometimes.
Somehow, they believe they are doing mankind a service, all the while ignoring the real enemy: communisitic atheistic sexually depraved materialists who want to corrupt our kids.
Not really. I don't remember you being around these threads last fall, when by mutual agreement everyone lay down their arms and spent time concentrating on the upcoming elections - there were several months when these threads simply didn't exist on FR. Since you weren't present, you can, I suppose, be forgiven for what you don't know. But now you know.
Somehow, we Christians are more of a threat.
LOL again. In case you haven't noticed, we don't get a lot of real live leftists to play with around here. Humans in general are not conditioned to spend all day sitting around and stroking each other's egos, so is it really a surprise when the five percent we disagree on gets more play than the 95% we agree on? Spend some time on the Neo-Confederate threads, the Drug War threads, the Apple versus Linux versus Microsoft threads. Do you really think that Mac freepers think of Windows freepers as a "threat"? As the enemy?
Of course not. I don't find you particularly threatening. I think some of your ideas are unsound and not wise to implement, but you're not my enemy - when the chips are down, we all need each other far more than we let on here. Perhaps you'll see that for yourself.
And they never post links that argue in a scientific manner why what they are selling here at FR makes good political sense for the GOP as a whole.
No? It's really quite obvious why. Evangelicals are not enough, by themselves, to carry the day in politics. Even if we - very generously - assume that 71% of Bush voters are Bible-carrying, creationism-believing evangelicals, you cut out the 30% that aren't, and Bush loses by 15 million votes. Radicalizing the GOP along those lines means you get to wander in the desert for a good long time, my friend. Simple self-preservation suggests that you think long and hard about that prospect.
You don't have to like me - I don't really care. But you'd better figure out how to live with me, because unlike the Left, I'll listen to you and get you most of what you want, in exchange for a few things I want. That's a much better deal than you'll get from John Kerry - John Kerry won't give you a goddamn thing. And that's a fact.