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To: animoveritas
This exercise is simply showing that based on our current knowledge of nature, there isn't enough time for life to develop at random.

The problem is, you don't know what you'd need to know to make these sorts of calculations meaningful - nobody does. And your estimates are basically pulled straight out of your hat. Of the vast ocean of possible chains, you haven't got a clue how many of them are viable self-replicators, nor do you have any idea what a real minimum length for a viable self-replicator might be. There exist self-replicating polypeptides that are a mere 32 amino acids in length, so how on earth can you justify setting a minimum viable length of 29,000,000 nucleotides? You can't, and it's as simple as that.

181 posted on 02/15/2005 12:03:59 PM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: general_re

The problem is, you don't know what you'd need to know to make these sorts of calculations meaningful - nobody does. And your estimates are basically pulled straight out of your hat. Of the vast ocean of possible chains, you haven't got a clue how many of them are viable self-replicators, nor do you have any idea what a real minimum length for a viable self-replicator might be. There exist self-replicating polypeptides that are a mere 32 amino acids in length, so how on earth can you justify setting a minimum viable length of 29,000,000 nucleotides? You can't, and it's as simple as that.


longshadow sent me over here to see this. You have done quite well, certainly better than I could. The only difference is that i would have said "why bother"?

Let him stir the pot; it won't make a bit of difference. For the reasonable creationoids out there, they must be thinking exactly what the "reasonable" democrats are now thinking about their party leader.


184 posted on 02/15/2005 12:26:54 PM PST by furball4paws (It's not the cough that carried him off - it's the coffin they carried him off in (O. Nash -I think))
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To: general_re

Interesting. You cite an example of an intelligent agent, or shall we say "designer" setting conditions for a chain to self replicate.


185 posted on 02/15/2005 12:35:29 PM PST by animoveritas (Dispersit superbos mente cordis sui.)
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