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1 posted on 02/09/2005 2:48:54 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican
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Experts...
Some Health experts...

Hmmmmmmm.

How many?
Are all three of them Gay advocates?
Do they all embrace the "AIDS is a threat to heterosexuals" propaganda?
Before getting into specifics, I would want the answer to these questions before rejecting, wholesale, their basic premise.

2 posted on 02/09/2005 2:53:21 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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One of the studies, by researchers at Duke and Stanford universities and the Veterans Affairs Palo Alto Health Care System, estimated that routine one-time testing of everyone would cut new infections each year by just over 20 percent, and that every HIV-infected patient identified would gain an average of 1 1/2 years of life.

Total crock. The bug chasers and IV drug users will keep right on doing exactly what they did to contract it.

3 posted on 02/09/2005 2:53:29 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Certified cause of Post Traumatic Redhead Syndrome)
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No thank you. I am not in a high risk category so there is no need of testing me. It would only be a waste of time and money.


4 posted on 02/09/2005 2:53:35 PM PST by cripplecreek (they call me tater.)
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What a crock of crud.

I say if you do not want the test the government should pay you the cost of the test in cash.

5 posted on 02/09/2005 2:55:03 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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This is BS. What they really want to say is: If you are a drug user or an idiot homo who bangs dudes without a condom because you are so high on meth, please go take a drug test.

I can assure you, most of the folks I know do not need an HIV test.


6 posted on 02/09/2005 2:55:10 PM PST by mlbford2 ("Never wrestle with a pig; you can't win, you just get filthy, and the pig loves it...")
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This is interesting and perplexing. These people are all running around talking about screening many people...BUT TO WHAT END??? What are they trying to accomplish? Just building another big medical bureaucracy? Again, to what end? You have AIDS, now what? Do they shoot you, or send you off to some penal colony in the South Pacific or strap you into some device so you cannot spread the desease? Or to force you into some "treatment" program that can niether afford or want??

What is the end goal here?


7 posted on 02/09/2005 2:55:23 PM PST by EagleUSA
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Ah... computer models.
The garbage in-garbage out argument?
8 posted on 02/09/2005 2:56:33 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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I don't see why an aids test shouldn't be included in the routine workups you get when a doctor sends you for a screening. Given the fact that they check for all the other sexually transmitted diseases as a matter of course!


9 posted on 02/09/2005 2:56:42 PM PST by rocksblues (Liberalism is a sickness not a political ideology)
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"some experts"? is this the same as the MSM saying "some say" when asking a question at a white house briefing?

The routine testing is a matter of conditioning in order to get the public in general assimilated into the STD lifestyle. Routine testing is an absurd waste of resources in the no risk groups like pre-teen children and older married people.

NOTE, I am saying ROUTINE testing.

This is not about aids prevention, this is about junk science being used to indoctrinate and keep the federal dollars flowing to the aids industry.

(even the MSM says aids babies are for all practical purposes no more.)


12 posted on 02/09/2005 2:59:57 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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This is a good idea as soon as the HIV test becomes a normal test, without all the drama of pre test counseling, post test counseling and hyperprivacy issues.


15 posted on 02/09/2005 3:06:20 PM PST by mlmr (The Majority of the Murders Committed Worldwide have been Committed by Leftist Governments..........)
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A failure to institute such screening at doctors' offices and clinics would be "a critical disservice" to patients with the AIDS virus and "the future health of the nation," wrote Bozzette, who is from the University of California at San Diego and the Rand Corp. think tank in Santa Monica, Calif.

I will bet this guy has stock in some company that will benefit from this. Follow the money.
17 posted on 02/09/2005 3:07:55 PM PST by microgood (Washington State: Ukraine without the poison)
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"The cost-benefit to individuals and society is worth" widespread screening, said Dr. Lawrence Deyton, chief of public health in the Department of Veterans Affairs, which provides medical care to about 5 million veterans. In light of the findings, he said the VA is going to urge more patients to get tested. "We're going to take the ball and run with it," Deyton said.

I'm retired Army and I was HIV tested like ALL THE TIME, starting back in the 80's when they started noticing that lots of civilians were getting this. What's this "take the ball and run with it" stuff? The military tests people for HIV more than any other group of people I've ever heard of.

In all those years, I processed ONE medical discharge for someone with HIV. One.


18 posted on 02/09/2005 3:12:12 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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I think its just another way to move aids into the acceptable normal mainstream.. then they can pretend that getting aids was "normal" and caused by normal behavior.


20 posted on 02/09/2005 3:32:23 PM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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What a load of crap...Where the hell would I get HIV from. What would be the point of testing other than to hand money to the pharmaceutical companies that produce the tests...
22 posted on 02/09/2005 3:48:26 PM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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Don't they test your blood and notify you if you have aids when you give blood?


23 posted on 02/09/2005 4:21:07 PM PST by scab4faa (Holy crap! I didn't sign on for this!)
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Just another push to expand the AIDS empire.

Suppose they find more people who are infected with AIDS? What do they propose to do about it? It's illegal to tell anyone or warn the spouse or people they have had sexual contacts with. It's illegal to do anything to hinder people from spreading it.

So they will give these people AIDS drugs? The only thing that has done is to keep HIV positive people alive longer so they can infect more victims. Condoms too do little to prevent the spread of AIDS.

So what's the point? Obviously, more government money would flow to the designated AIDS organizations, who do little or nothing to solve the medical problem but are pretty successful at making AIDS a political icon and tax magnet.


24 posted on 02/09/2005 4:39:15 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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When will these people get it through their heads that not all people are intravenous drug users, homosexuals, hemophiliacs or have had blood transfusions in the last 10 years? HIV is not the flu nor is it common.
25 posted on 02/09/2005 5:44:51 PM PST by Dallas59 (Bush said the "F" word 27 times January 20th, 2005!)
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Another example of political correctness trumping science, facts and common sense. This is reminiscent of the public health groups mandating hepatitis B vaccination for all infants--even though the risk groups for this disease are essentially the same for HIV.

Don't these idiots understand that they as medical/public health leaders cannot afford to lose credibility?

26 posted on 02/09/2005 6:27:12 PM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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heart disease and cancer kill over 1 million people per year, aids about 10,000 per year.

If we test for anything it should be for cancer and heart disease, not HIV.


29 posted on 02/11/2005 10:48:02 PM PST by Coleus (Oppose Amnesty for Illegal Aliens http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1335643/posts)
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