Lawmakers oppose Mexico deal

Washington Times ^ | Wednesday, February 9, 2005 | By Stephen Dinan

[JohnHuang2]

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The two hot-button issues that President Bush wants to tackle this year — Social Security and immigration — are about to collide. Two members of Congress will try to block an agreement that the Bush administration signed with Mexico that would allow Mexicans who have worked in the United States, including some illegal immigrants, to receive Social Security payments. Rep. Virgil H. Goode Jr., Virginia Republican, will introduce a resolution today calling on the president not to submit the agreement to Congress. And Rep. J.D. Hayworth, Arizona Republican, has prepared another resolution to block the deal, called a totalization agreement, if and when the administration submits it to Congress. "This is the flash point between border security and Social Security, and it is a major fault line," Mr. Hayworth said.

[bahblahbah]

We need Mexico to kneel to some of our demands. Like opening up their oil industry might be nice.

[ETERNAL WARMING]

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[Susannah]

According to the loonies of aztlan, the Bush-Fox deal is about OIL for Chevron! Condi Rice is implicated too.

http://www.aztlan.net/foxbushdeal.htm

[tom paine 2]

Or forcing their oligarchic industries like TelMex BanDelNorte and Cemex to allow competion. And start enforcing the laws of the country.

[7.62 x 51mm]

We're committing national suicide, here. Are we the only ones who see it coming?

[exhaustedmomma]

Two members of Congress will try to block an agreement that the Bush administration signed with Mexico that would allow Mexicans who have worked in the United States, including some illegal immigrants, to receive Social Security payments.

Only 2 members of Congress are trying to block this????????? SHAME, shame, shame!!!!!!

[upcountryhorseman]

How about getting Mexico to comply with the Water Treaty they made with us. Also, They might take a little responsibility for taking care of their own citizens within
their borders.

[JustAnotherSavage]

Also today on CSPAN, the house will debate HR418, THE REAL ID ACT introduced by Sensenbrenner with 130 cosponsers. More about that at: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1337307/posts

On the totalization agreement(social security for illegals):


ONE ILLEGAL COULD COST U.S. TAXPAYERS ONE-HALF MILLION BUCKS

"If a 24-year-old Mexican national who has worked illegally in the U.S. for three years is able to present documents from a friendly doctor and either a W-2 or pay stubs that indicate $12,000 in annual earnings, he will be eligible for the following: nearly $8,000 per year in disability income (adjusted for inflation), until age 65, at which point he would receive the same amount as retirement pay. (If he manages to get an under-the-table job in the U.S. or Mexico, he will be able to double-dip for a second income stream.) If he is survived by his wife or dependents, his family would be able to receive up to almost $12,000 annually. If he dies at 60, and his widow lives to 85, U.S. taxpayers will be on the hook for nearly a half-million dollars. That’s for one worker brought into Social Security by the pact." Source: Joel Mowbray, National Review, 1/27/03, pp. 22, 24


162,000 MEXICAN BENEFICIARIES?

" ‘We are concerned about the sheer magnitude of the agreement,’ said a House Republican aide who is an expert on Social Security. About 94,000 beneficiaries living abroad have been brought into the system by the 20 existing international agreements. A Mexican agreement alone could bring in 162,000 in the first five years." Source: Jonathan Weisman, Washington Post, 12/19/02, p. A1

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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20040107.shtml

The criminal raid on Social Security
Michelle Malkin
January 7, 2004

My 8-week-old son's Social Security card recently arrived in the mail. On the back, there's a stern warning: "Improper use of this card or number by anyone is punishable by fine, imprisonment or both."

Welcome to the world of government theft and selective enforcement, my boy.

While innocent babes who have yet to earn a penny are threatened with jail time for misusing Social Security cards, the Bush administration appears set this week to turn the ailing government pension program into an international relief fund for illegal alien workers who used counterfeit Social Security cards and stolen numbers to secure illegal jobs.

Unlike the bedtime stories I tell at night, I am not making this up.

This belated gift to the open-borders lobby and Mexican President Vicente Fox is part of a larger amnesty plan that has been in the works since before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. So, why exactly are we rewarding a country that has been obstinately opposed to the War on Terror? Go ask Mr. Brilliant, Karl Rove. This I do know: It couldn't have come at a worse time from either a fiscal or national security standpoint.

According to Rep. Clay Shaw, R-Fla., chairman of the House Ways and Means subcommittee on Social Security, benefits paid to retirees will exceed revenues in just 15 years. The pay-as-you-go system could go belly up as early as 2030. These projections don't take into account the economic impact of the Bush proposal, which would allow untold millions of illegal aliens from Mexico to collect full cash benefits for themselves and their families from their home country -- without having to work the required number of years that law-abiding American citizens must work to be eligible for payouts.

Reporter Joel Mowbray, who first exposed this treachery a year ago, noted that this raw deal may well cost overburdened U.S. taxpayers $345 billion over the next 20 years. Probably much more. As we know from experience, Social Security projections are notoriously off the mark.

The bureaucrats call this scheme "totalization." Try total prostration. The proposed agreement is nothing more than a transfer of wealth from those who play by the rules to those who willingly and knowingly mock our own immigration and tax laws. What are we doing promising lifetime Social Security paychecks to day laborers in Juarez when we can't even guarantee those benefits to workers here at home?

Unbelievably, the White House is trying to convince us to embrace this global ripoff because it "rewards work." No, it rewards criminal behavior. The plan will siphon off the hard-earned tax dollars of American workers who may never see a dime of their confiscated earnings and fork it over to foreigners guilty of at least four acts of federal law-breaking: crossing the border illegally, working illegally, engaging in tax fraud and using bogus documents.

Giving money to scam artists will simply result in more fraud -- not only by Mexican agricultural workers, but also by Middle Easterners such as Youssef Hmimssa, who provided fake Social Security numbers and fraudulent drivers' licenses to members of an accused terrorist cell in Detroit. "If you have the right connection, you can get anything," he testified before the Senate last fall.

The door is now open for all illegal aliens to collect retirement benefits using bogus Social Security cards. What's next: survivors' benefits for the families of the 19 Sept. 11 hijackers?

[exhaustedmomma]

The secret list of ID theft victims... interesting must read article about how illegal immigrants are ripping off American citizens social security numbers... to satisfy government requirements to get a job. But hey, they are just doing a job American citizens won't do.

[Dat Mon]

Bush made reform of Social Security one of the cornerstones of his State of the Union speech. Although the dems wont admit it, we know that the system is in big trouble down the road, and significant privatization and reform is needed.

Now, we are at the beginning stages of moving forward with this reform...this is good.

For Gods sake...why would the Bush Admin want to throw a totalization agreement with Mexico into the mix...BEFORE the SS reform is even debated?

The articles quoted here by Michelle, along with Phyllis Schafly's article, paint a picture of massive entitlement costs down the road for this totalization proposal.

Why are only two congressmen objecting to this nonsense?

[FBD]

bookmark bump^

Thanks for the ping to this on the other thread.

Giving Social Insecurity to guest workers will bankrupt the system but good.

[redhawk]

This is becoming unreal. Bush wants to kill SS for the under 50 crowd but give benefits to Mexicans???? If the Mexicans are getting their money back I want mine too.