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Your post to me Launches into lots of blovation,

Hey, sometimes quantity creates a quality all its own. :-)

but this is a simple "Ya can't get something for nothing" point. Evolution breaks the second law of thermodynamics, period.

No, it's pretty simple: It takes energy to live. It takes energy to reproduce. There's no reason to think that it takes any more energy to reproduce with mutations than without. Whether the offspring have mutations or not, some of them will die before they have offspring. So neither the mutation part nor the natural selection part of evolution implies that any more energy will be consumed by all those evolving organisms than ones that don't evolve.

But whatever happens to them & their descendants, the 2LoT says they'll all need to eat to survive.

That's it. It's just that simple!

Or to put it another way: If I said that living organisms could survive without ever eating anything, that would be a "something for nothing" claim. But anyway, we're talking about life itself. This has nothing to do with evolution.

>> But whatever happens to them & their descendants, the 2LoT says they'll all need to eat to survive.

Forget the eating thing, that's a Micro point and I'm talking Macro. lets look at the big picture.

>> There's no reason to think that it takes any more energy to reproduce with mutations than without.

The Fallacy is that mutations can account for "Rust turning into Bicycles". I took a Book (If memory serves) called "Statistics and Evolution a practical approach" and used the calculations (By a scientist who believed evolution by the way) and built a calculation based on the number of mutations necessary to go from a paramecium, to a human, the book also had odds of a mutation being beneficial, dominant, non fatal, useful, all sorts of good stuff. I programmed this into three mainframe computers (hey they were the biggest, and best I could get to in those days) and ran the program, crashed all three of them trying to figure the odds of that happening "Naturally"

BTW the number of atoms in the earth is 8.87 x 10 to the 49th power

When the odds against something being true reach staggering proportions, apply a Occam's razor and shave years off of your process. (It ain't true)