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Joining in the frustration (Prop 200)
Sierra Vista Herald, Sierra Vista Arizona ^ | 01/26/05

Posted on 01/26/2005 8:03:48 PM PST by SandRat

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To: exhaustedmomma

I'm tired of the compassion fetish. I'm one of the people getting shot at.


21 posted on 01/26/2005 9:43:38 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed terrorist vigilante cucaracha!)
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To: drt1
Perhaps taking action at the State level in terms of penalizing employers utilizing Illegals would be more effective and faster than trying to get the dinosaurs in DC to take the necessary steps.

You are 100% correct. Once the other States follow AZ's example, the idiots in Washington will have no choice but to do the same.

22 posted on 01/26/2005 10:42:33 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
I'm tired of the compassion fetish.

Amen.

23 posted on 01/26/2005 10:44:04 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: gubamyster; SandRat; HiJinx; AZamericonnie; JackelopeBreeder; Americanwolf; Squantos
With the passage of Prop 200, we as Arizonans are asserting our sovereign rights as not only AZ residents, but US citizens. Mexico, as well as our own Gov, local gov't agencies, our President, some assorted congress critters, corporate folks, the usual suspect "special interest" groups...even the Catholic Church...are against it, and will not sit back nicely and let our laws (as we have them) be enforced.

The fight continues. They will do everything to take this away from us.

24 posted on 01/26/2005 10:49:38 PM PST by kstewskis ( you have to have a mind before you lose it....)
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To: Marine Inspector

whoops, sorry MI...didn't mean to leave you out of my ping on my previous post ;)


25 posted on 01/26/2005 10:51:28 PM PST by kstewskis ( you have to have a mind before you lose it....)
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To: kstewskis; Travis McGee

So the basic BS from mexico and the US based hispandering seditionists is that they are angered and heading for the international courts because I won't pay the illegal alien rent , medical and education costs ?

Gheeesh I hope these mohows don't want cable too.....phucm !


26 posted on 01/26/2005 11:03:15 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
I'm tired of the compassion fetish. I'm one of the people getting shot at.

:::sigh:::

I'm tired of it too... because people like you are being shot at!! So... I am staying up late (& have to get up early) trying to figure out what in the sam hill I can do to help! Hang in there, and keep up the good work. Your voice is being heard! (*Compassion to American citizen bump!)

27 posted on 01/26/2005 11:04:15 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (Tancredo said Bush's guest-worker proposal is "a pig with lipstick")
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To: gubamyster

bttt


28 posted on 01/26/2005 11:41:20 PM PST by lainde
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To: drt1
Most Illegals employment is centered in relatively small, isolated businesses (i.e., GM is probably not an employer of Illegals nor is IBM, Pfizer or most of the Fortune 500 Companies).

I work at a one of the largest printing corporations in the world. We have many illegals where I work. The HR guy says they can't legally ask if someone is here legally. All they can ask if if they can legally work. Then, they send the SS or Taxpayer id # to the IRS. If the numbers and the name match, no problem.

He said that the IRS doesn't care if it's getting income from the same number from different parts of the country. They just don't care.

29 posted on 01/27/2005 3:34:09 AM PST by raybbr
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To: JackelopeBreeder

We are governed by lunatics who have confused their vanity with godliness.


30 posted on 01/27/2005 4:28:21 AM PST by junta (If you must hate, hate an ideologue.)
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To: kstewskis

No problem, just don't let it happen again.

:)


31 posted on 01/27/2005 5:56:33 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: drt1

Most Illegals employment is centered in relatively small, isolated businesses (i.e., GM is probably not an employer of Illegals nor is IBM, Pfizer or most of the Fortune 500 Companies

It is the hospitality, food, retail and building industries
that are using the illegals. You cannot get a fast food order in Tucson accurately because all the workers are Spanish speakers.

Fix Mexico's Economy. Take on Fox. We can then trade on an equal basis.


32 posted on 01/27/2005 7:33:33 AM PST by amihow
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I live in a semi gated community where we have a property management company that takes care of all grounds-keeping. By my estimate, 60%+ of his employees are Mexican Illegals. He is not about to pack up and move his operation anywhere, let alone out of state.

Right, but what I mean is that if the state were to suddenly crack down on things like that, he might decide to move to a state that will let him hire illegals because business would be too expensive otherwise.

33 posted on 01/27/2005 12:38:18 PM PST by MegaSilver
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To: exhaustedmomma; JackelopeBreeder; All

Here is a view of the border from a freeper who recently went and looked for himself:



I spent today at the border, 70 miles east of San Diego. There's a private ranch with one mile of border frontage which is being trampled by aliens (the same as the other 2000 miles of Mexican border.) I was there for the AM Border Patrol change of shift, when many of the illegals cross. During that well-known hour, there is ZERO coverage along the border.

Three of us volunteers captured 40 (FORTY) of them in the past day (Jan 21 to 22, 2005) on this one mile wide property. The volunteers only come once in a while to help the rancher. The rest of the time, his ranch is a wide open path into the USA, not much different from any other mile of border. If they make it 1-2 miles inland, there are lots of houses/shacks/trailers which are "pick up sites." There are only a few Border Patrolmen to cover each 20 mile sector of the actual border, which is only a token effort, just minor window dressing, to show the sheeple that "Uncle Sam is on the job." They basically don't catch anybody, maybe 2% of the crossers by actual truthful and frank (not official PR) Border Patrolmen's estimates. Anyone they catch in this sector is by pure blind luck, or they are the ones which private citizens stop, hold and call in, and they pick up and count as captures. This 2% true catch rate is meaningless, since the illegals just get taken to the border, and cross again tomorrow or the day after, with a fresh 98% chance of success. Pretty pitiful, huh?

One of the 7 we got this morning was a 14 year old girl who speaks perfect English. I asked her where she learned to speak it so well, and she named the public middle school in LA where she has gone for the last 6 years. Your California taxes at work. She was visiting her granny in Mexico for Christmas, and was just coming "home" to LA. She'll make it back across tomorrow. I said you can write a paper for school: "What I did on my Christmas vacation." The seven were only wearing sneakers and jeans and light jackets and t-shirts, with about one liter of water each, carried by hand. They were not preparing for some long march into the interior, but just a 1-2 mile hike to a pre-arranged pickup.

I was able to chat with them in Spanish for the hour or so until the BP picked them up. They said that they did not have to pay until they were delivered in LA. Relatives in LA have the money. The cost is now down to only $500 a head, from $1500 a few years ago. Going to a "pay on delivery only" system also shows that the "market" for border crossing is looser than ever. Formerly, illegals had to pay coyotes up front, and lost their money if caught. Now, they don't pay until and unless they make it. This shows that the "coyotes" must lower their prices and give better terms to attract business from their many customers. The "market" at work! It's a great time to be an illegal alien! Prices are down, pay on delivery in LA is standard, results are guaranteed! If not today (2% chance of capture) then tomorrow, (98% chance of success).


34 posted on 01/27/2005 2:13:40 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: SandRat; drt1; All

New Dobbs Poll:
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

This one is a bit different. Interesting.
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Issuing illegal aliens driver’s licenses is a matter of:

Immigration 5% 111 votes

National security 14% 287 votes

Both 64% 1358 votes

Neither 17% 354 votes

Total: 2110 votes


35 posted on 01/27/2005 5:34:12 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: SandRat
AP:

"Governor Huckabee has criticized immigration legislation in the Arkansas Legislature, describing the bill as "inflammatory...race-baiting and demagoguery,'' and challenges the Christian values of its main sponsor.     

The bill seeks to forbid public assistance and voting rights to illegal immigrants. Huckabee says it "enflames those who are racist and bigots and makes them think there's a real problem'' when there is not.  The bill was filed by Republican Senators Jim Holt of Springdale and Denny Altes of Fort Smith, whose northwest Arkansas region includes the state's fastest growing Hispanic population.     

Huckabee, also a Republican and a Baptist minister, said Arkansans should welcome hardworking immigrants of all races.  He singled out Holt, who often talks of his strong Christian beliefs. The governor said  "I drink a different kind of Jesus juice. My faith says don't make false accusations against somebody. In the Bible, it's called don't bear false witness.''     

Huckabee said Holt's plan to deny prenatal care for illegal immigrants goes against their shared anti-abortion principles.

  In response, Holt said he was hurt by the governor questioning his faith. Holt said he is not prejudice "except against those with prejudice.'' He said his legislation is an attempt to uphold the law and protect the benefits that apply to citizens. »

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36 posted on 01/28/2005 5:22:59 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: spectre
We heard the same crap out of JiHadi Janet Napolatano Reno (D) and most of our KongressKritters and passed it in referendum anyways. Show the polis that their power and orders comes from us, we're citizens of our state and not subjects.
37 posted on 01/29/2005 7:50:58 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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