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In science, theory is a higher level of understanding than facts, he notes. "Theories don't grow up to become facts. Rather, theories explain facts."

Wow. I am just freaked out.

1 posted on 01/25/2005 6:15:42 PM PST by gobucks
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The war against science by religious fanatics goes on.

Has the latter had any victories at all in the last 500 years?

BTW, where does Bin Laden and his buddies stand on evolution?
101 posted on 01/26/2005 5:29:42 AM PST by ml1954
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As a scientist, I can say that the author's statement you quoted is 100% correct.


115 posted on 01/26/2005 6:31:28 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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140 posted on 01/26/2005 7:26:46 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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In science, theory is a higher level of understanding than facts, he notes. "Theories don't grow up to become facts. Rather, theories explain facts."

In theory, this is correct, however, in practice this is nonsense. Miller's comment completely disregards the Human Factor. In other words, scientific theories rely heavily upon the commonman's faith in the scientific community. That faith is weak at best, and currently it is the fault of weak scientists who put their personal situations ahead of Truth.

For instance, primary- and secondary-school science curricula in this country are polluted with political agenda. Students can clearly see that the extinction of certain species of animals will not affect the earth's ability to be self-sustaining, that rain forests can be replanted, that "old forests" offer no benefit over new forests, and that nuclear power is really the only clean, renewable source of energy currently available.

Undoubtedly, many folks are sucked in by politically-driven science lessons that rely on the "cute, tiger cub factor"; but when they finally realize the Truth they are angry, embarrassed and looking for someone to blame. If they don't entrench themselves in their positions, then the obvious scapegoat will be the Scientific Community as a whole. In other words, they can reasonably conclude that if scientists are misleading folks over one topic, they may be practicing deceit in other areas as well.

Does popular opinion matter, though? The Scientific Community mistakenly believes that if they, who comprise perhaps .05% of the population, know the Truth, then the "opinions" of the other 99.95% of the population are invalid. At the same time, though, the outrage and frustration over the general population's mistrust of Scientists is a regular topic in boardrooms of research organizations and publications across the country. Metaphorically, this dilemma can be compared to the old riddle of "If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear the 'Bang!', did the tree make a sound?" What use is a theory that only a small majority trust or believe?

What value is public opinion if it is simply wrong? Public opinion in actual fact is The Force that drives public will; and public will is the force that encourages young people to become researchers, technicians and inventors. Public will is the force that funds education, research and medical innovation.

Perhaps the scientific community will eventually accept the fact that it is their duty to improve public opinion, and will work to root out those within the community who perpetrate myths and half-truths for personal gain, whether to win research grants or acceptance of administrations and social peers.

Persuading public opinion will also require the theorists to abandon the practice of passionately defending any theory that has been officially declared a "Theory". They must eventually realize that in the mind of the average reader some of this over-zealous defense is the equivalent of Shakespeare's "The lady doth protest too much!".

Finally, if the scientific community does desire reparation of its tarnished reputation, it must choose reputable scientists to speak out publically when the NY Times, Scientific American and Science News, for example) print articles like "Air pollution trims fetal growth" that rely on correlation data and indirectly related "rat studies".

Miller is in a better position than most to stem the tide that has bred mistrust throughout the education systems in America and Europe.

151 posted on 01/26/2005 7:35:03 AM PST by TaxRelief (Support the Troops Rally, Fayetteville, NC -- March 19, 2005)
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In 1996, Pope John II wrote a strong letter to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences supporting the scientific understanding of evolution. That's one reason why students in Catholic parochial schools get a more clearheaded education in evolution science than do children at many public schools racked by the evolution debate.

No different than what I learned in Catholic school in 1956. It even predates Darwin by several centuries with the "Master Clockmaker" understandings of Thomas Aquinas.

Unless one takes the Scriptures literally word-for-word, (which the Catholic religion does not) evolution theory does not discount Creation. In fact, it says absolutely nothing about Creation. It only attempts to describe the process that God designed and set in motion.

Today, many call that Intelligent Design. For me, it is exactly the same thing I learned five decades ago.

By the same token, rejecting a Creator based on Evolutionary theory, has absolutely no scientific basis and can not be supported in scientific terms. Those who claim there is no Creator are simply stating their belief just as those who invoke the literal six days of Creation are stating their beliefs.

342 posted on 01/26/2005 12:13:17 PM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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Thank God I was raised Catholic. It is truly an enlightened religion. The fundamentalists are still ranting that the sun revolves around the Earth. Creationalism should NOT be taught in schools in any way shape or form.


397 posted on 01/26/2005 2:57:26 PM PST by puppets
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We were all created. Many of us devolve.


574 posted on 01/28/2005 5:13:42 AM PST by PGalt
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Right on! How could God ever have a problem with evolution?


583 posted on 02/03/2005 8:05:51 PM PST by eagle11 (Never stand in between an armed man and his Freedom.....)
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