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To: jdhighness

> A major flaw in science, as I see it, is that there must not be any supernatural forces if they are judging or intelligent, but there can be supernatural forces if they are dumb.

Untrue. The supernatural, whether smart like a monkey or dumb like a chimp, is not *precluded* in science. It is, however, not a good answer for things that can be answered as well with purely natural forces.

What makes your car go? The expansion of combusted gasses pushing on pistons? Or little invisible demons? Science does not say the latter is impossible, just that the former is vastly more likely.


22 posted on 01/21/2005 9:15:59 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam
What makes your car go? The expansion of combusted gasses pushing on pistons? Or little invisible demons? Science does not say the latter is impossible, just that the former is vastly more likely.

My car is obviously far too complex to be driven by combusted gases pushing on pistons. Therefore it must be directed by little invisible demons.

33 posted on 01/21/2005 9:27:13 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: orionblamblam

What makes your car go? The expansion of combusted gasses pushing on pistons? Or little invisible demons? Science does not say the latter is impossible, just that the former is vastly more likely.

There's proof supporting "The expansion of combusted gasses pushing on pistons". There's no proof of invisible demons or supernatural Gods pushing pistons, mountains, galaxies or creating universes. Intelligent conscience beings do exist. They have demonstrated a vast ability to understand nature and then control nature. Doing that to benefit self and others. Nothing is unknowable to the conscious mind. Though many things take a great deal of time to understand. Several generations of acquired knowledge. For example, time to acquire knowledge required to build a nuclear reactor.

Fact: conscious beings exist.

Speculation: conscious being(s) created the Universe.

Speculation: there exists a God.

Speculation: a speculative God created the universe.

72 posted on 01/21/2005 10:52:42 AM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: orionblamblam

My website's thesis is that the advancement of science needs a Creator with specific traits, namely those of the Christian God Jesus Christ.


97 posted on 01/21/2005 1:30:51 PM PST by jdhighness
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