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To: LibertarianInExile
Sure, I'm "allowed my opinion"--until I express it and it's remotely critical of your messiah. Then you must according to the rules of your holy order accuse me of not being a conservative and being jealous, or some such other b.s.

Go join a nunnery. They could use your devotion.

This is your post to which I responded which begged the question, "What is wrong with you?"

As I read it again, it is a valid question, and it doesn't take more than elementary observation skills to see that you are bitter about this.

I stand by my first post.

You interestingly (or not), neglected to remember that I called you reasonable, and tried to have a rational conversation with you.

It wasn't until you got childish and vulgar and went way over the line that I called you on it. That doesn't make me a Pharisee, regardless of how you wish it to be so.

Now might I suggest that you stop feeling sorry for yourself, express your views, and take the disagreement of others like a man?

It seems that you and a few others around here think that free speech means being able to say whatever you want, regardless of how unreasonable it is, and have no one disagree with you.

That's not the way it works, Lib. Freedom carries with it responsibility. What you say has consequences, and you need to be able to deal with that.

809 posted on 01/23/2005 2:38:04 PM PST by ohioWfan (Have you PRAYED for your President today?)
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To: ohioWfan
This is your post to which I responded which begged the question, "What is wrong with you?" As I read it again, it is a valid question, and it doesn't take more than elementary observation skills to see that you are bitter about this.

You expect me to look at you as reasonable, when you call me bitter for not somehow examining an insult and coming up with a bouquet? Blow it out your piety hole.

You interestingly (or not), neglected to remember that I called you reasonable, and tried to have a rational conversation with you.

Yeah, and in the same breath you insulted libertarians on this board both by calling them irrational and calling the words "blind followers" a 'libertarian talking point.' Then in the next post you stick your talking points, calling my posts rants and venting. Whatever you decide is reasonable is reasonable to you, I guess. /sarcasm

It wasn't until you got childish and vulgar and went way over the line that I called you on it. That doesn't make me a Pharisee, regardless of how you wish it to be so. Now might I suggest that you stop feeling sorry for yourself, express your views, and take the disagreement of others like a man?

I didn't go over any line, but called out someone just as deserving as you in a clear statement of exactly what you both think: if Bush pooped in your bathroom, you'd tell us his shit don't stink. And I called you a Pharisee because you start with insults and then you act holier than thou about others who do the same. I don't feel sorry for anyone but you, because you continue to miss the point that you aren't reasonably disagreeing and haven't been from the start, and all I have been advocating here is that people can reasonably disagree. Instead you continue to play the Pharisee, as if you are somehow better than others on this board, when hounding from people like you is the reason that many people think of Rush and Bush fans as blind loyalists. Hell, you have a 'bot seal of approval on your profile. You wear it as a badge of honor. What more proof is there needed that you miss the point of those who respectfully disagree with certain of Bush's statements or policies?

Here comes my favorite part of your post:

It seems that you and a few others around here think that free speech means being able to say whatever you want, regardless of how unreasonable it is, and have no one disagree with you. That's not the way it works, Lib. Freedom carries with it responsibility. What you say has consequences, and you need to be able to deal with that.

You miss the point entirely, again. As I just got through saying, I don't care that people disagree with me. I don't care that people disagree with Noonan. I care that they, and you, attack Noonan or me personally, which is not disagreement but abuse. You still think that abuse is warranted, and you defend it as if it were somehow responsible free speech. I understand that 'what I say has consequences,' but you think you and your buddies should get a pass on insults every time--as long as it is a pro-Bush insult--and that proves you don't understand responsible free speech at all. You act like some great defender of free speech, when all you're arguing is that people who disagree with your opinion should shut up, and that people who disagree with your opinion should be shouted down and insulted.

Please promise me you won't actually try to convert people to Christ or voting for the Republican Party with that attitude. With that approach, I'm sure up to now you've done a fine job of scaring away many who would be the cause's best advocates, were it not for your demonstration of the openness of Christ's love and the Party's big tent. It's people like you who make it less likely we'll get to a veto- or filibuster-proof majority, simply because any statement of opposition is verboten to you. There are plenty of RINOs, but they aren't under every bedsheet.

814 posted on 01/23/2005 3:23:13 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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