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Fred Barnes: Bush's Breakthrough
The Weekly Standard ^ | 01/20/05 | Fred Barnes

Posted on 01/20/2005 2:21:15 PM PST by Pokey78

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To: Tragically Single

ah, and God.


41 posted on 01/20/2005 3:29:38 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: YaYa123; Peach; Howlin

Ping to Fred's interpretation of the inaugural address.


42 posted on 01/20/2005 3:35:33 PM PST by StarFan
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To: LibertarianInExile

I disagree.

He has joined the two concepts together. However, when you join something, you combine the elements.

This means he would not be as aggressive as somebody who was solely an idealist.

It does not follow then that he is 100% a realist just because he is not 100% an idealist.

He has not done anything about SA since the gain at the end of the day would not be worth the cost. Ditto with Pakistan, plus they are not quite the despotic regimes of Iran and Iraq.

Bush will spread freedom where it is needed most for the countries in question and our security and where it will have the greatest impact for influencing OTHER nations without our military intervention in those other nations.

This does not make him a realist.

The fact that he supports regime change at all requires that he be called at least part idealist.


43 posted on 01/20/2005 3:36:07 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: Motherbear

This may interest you.


44 posted on 01/20/2005 3:36:44 PM PST by StarFan
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To: KarlInOhio

Even the best publication has typos and errors.

All you can do is do your best to minimize them.


45 posted on 01/20/2005 3:39:37 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: StarFan

He wrote that quickly!

We were at a noisy party and I didn't hear what FNC or any of the other commentators had to say about the Inaugural address. We all thought it was fantastic but I rather doubt it was well received by the MSM media.


46 posted on 01/20/2005 3:40:02 PM PST by Peach (The grill on the hill. The Democrats are toast.)
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To: BibChr

I don't think they are at the present time, though some say they are. China is quite debatable.

However, if you look at the demographic data, most of China is still rather underdeveloped. I am hesitant to call them a superpower just because of Beijing.


47 posted on 01/20/2005 3:42:07 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: Pokey78

I like Fred Barnes too.


48 posted on 01/20/2005 3:52:39 PM PST by meema
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To: PeterPhilly
Sealing borders, while if done in a legal manner with LEGAL immigration still allowed, is good enough. But there is no amount of sealing borders that is going to defeat the Islamofascist terrorists. If we'd followed that policy in WW II, it's entirely likely that Britain would have been overrun, and certainly probable that WHEN we fought Japan, it would have been with a vastly more powerful Empire that had conquered much of India and possibly even Australia. Moreover, it's s serious question whether the Russkies, who were way overrated, could have defeated Germany without all our Jeeps, trucks, armored personnel carriers, radios, aircraft engines, and, above all, food and supplies.

In that context, bunkering up ain't no option any more. The fight must be proactive, and true conservatives of any stripe (except the most off-the-deep-end Libertarians) know it.

Lincoln's early speeches consistently celebrated LIBERTY and the LAW, as dual components of the nature of America. One could not survive without the other. Bush has made it somewhat more "Christian," juxtaposing liberty with compassion and tolerance---not in a PC sense, but in a Christian sense. It's quite brilliant.

49 posted on 01/20/2005 4:01:12 PM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news (there is no c in Amtrak and no truth in MSM news))
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To: LS
If you really want to get metaphysical...

I shouldn't have "quibbled". Upon reflection, I was being anal...

50 posted on 01/20/2005 4:05:33 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: dansangel; MeekOneGOP; sweetliberty; glock rocks
Nor did Bush flatly insist he'd smashed the barrier between the idealists--or moralists as they're often dubbed--and the realists. But he had. In fact, British prime minister Tony Blair has told him so. The idealists have as their ultimate goal in the world the spread of democracy. And Bush said he would wage a full-blown campaign for democracy, that now being "the policy."

ya'll seen this? Good read!

51 posted on 01/20/2005 4:07:15 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: LS
and it is clear to all but the most stupid Saudis that they are in the cross hairs, if only down the line

When a couple more countries adopt democratic government selection, the Saudis will get a "Magna Carta" presented to them and they will be able to be the "monarchy" in a Brit style setting.

Shopping at Harrods, diddling little boys,drinking themselves stupid at every opportunity will still be available to the trackable "immediate" monarchy.

52 posted on 01/20/2005 4:11:08 PM PST by leadhead (Silence of the Pork Chops)
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To: nicmarlo

Fred Barnes (and GWB) ROCKS!

Thank you for the ping. Today has been *such* a great day! :-)


53 posted on 01/20/2005 4:13:17 PM PST by dansangel
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To: dansangel

I agree....I really enjoy listening to and reading what Fred Barnes says.


54 posted on 01/20/2005 4:14:48 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Pokey78
"It is the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world."

I applaud the goal, but I worry about that line. It sounds utopian. As a Christian, I know such a thing won't happen until Christ returns. Perhaps I am reading too much into this.

I confess do like the idea of telling some of our "allies" to put up or shut up on human rights.

55 posted on 01/20/2005 4:15:39 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Rocketman
Add to those two Faith in Christ -- Atheism and Humanism and Muslimism and communism are not freinds to freedom.

Well said!

56 posted on 01/20/2005 4:16:31 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: rwfromkansas

Think of Ron Reagan and the Berlin Wall....raise your vision, I would not bet against GWB....the man is hitting his stride!


57 posted on 01/20/2005 4:29:59 PM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero)
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To: LS
If that's true, then the emphasis on liberty will inevitably change the dialogue in America, and will, IMHO, end the modern Dem Party, which is the party of dependency

I agree. While words are meaningless without action to back them up, they DO mean things. G.W. isn't just instilling in the hearts of the oppressed across the sea that they can be Free. Powerful enough if that were all he were doing. He is also causing Americans to yearn for the ultimate expressions of Freedom within their own land.

Consider, has the conservative movement EVER been stronger in decades? Are we to think this coincidental? No. It is happening because G.W. has created an atmosphere where we feel free to debate and express. When released from constraint conservatives florish.

People will complain that his policies are not conservative enough. They miss the larger picture. G.W. has constructed policies that implement responsibility and individual liberty. Once these become wedded to our thought Americans become increasingly embolded to demand more liberties. Unions, Public Education, political parties, Judicial... This may not all happen under his watch but he has begun esstential movements that will continue its progress.

I am Thrilled at his emphasis on Liberty and I continually find similarity with Lincoln. I would move further. I would state any American Patriot, no, further, all human souls that pride their value should be thrilled that Liberty has been advanaced for all peoples.

58 posted on 01/20/2005 4:34:15 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: Pokey78

Fred, Good job.

You cracked something vital I don't believe anyone else caught, though I'm still catching up on all today's events. Well done and magnificent piece!


59 posted on 01/20/2005 4:36:39 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: PeterPhilly

OK, Allrighty then. That would make Bush preeminent over Lincoln in terms of greatness.

Lincoln was famous for how expedient he was, acknowledging that the Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in rebel territories. Of course, that neglects the fact that he set the course of the nation towards abolition, knowing that once the Union won, slavery was over. Bush's approach has not been the easy path.

That expression, "no true conservative", reminds me of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

I agree with sealing our borders, AND spreading democracy. At the same time. They are not mutually exclusive.


60 posted on 01/20/2005 4:37:34 PM PST by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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