Posted on 01/18/2005 6:53:09 AM PST by mike182d
MARIETTA, Ga. (AP) - Members of a suburban district's school board plan to challenge a federal judge's order to remove stickers in science textbooks that call evolution ``a theory, not a fact.''
In a 5-2 vote, the Cobb County school board decided to appeal last week's ruling. Board members said U.S. District Judge Clarence Cooper's order to remove the stickers immediately ``amounts to unnecessary judicial intrusion into local control of schools,'' according to a statement.
Monday's decision came after board members met with lawyers for three hours in a closed session.
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(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...
> What concrete evidence is there for evolution?
Try Google. You'll find rather a lot.
> Darwin stated that if there ever existed a sudden "leap" in the development of an organism that could not be explained by slow, gradual processes over time then his theory would be destroyed.
That's nice. His statement was wrong. What of it?
> There is absolutely no "scientific," concrete evidence for evolution to date
Uh-huh. If you say so, Muhammad.
In that case, since "fundamentalist Muslims" believe in... oh, how about... gravity, one might expect you'll consider taking the opposite side of that argument, too.
Brilliant.
"What concrete evidence is there for evolution?"
Great question. One few evolutionists care to answer directly. Macro evolution is the key, and there are ZIP example of it, both within fossil beds and today. To have new animals appear, then disappear, within a single fossil bed, and claim that fossils of different animals in younger beds represent the consequence of 'evolution' requires faith.
But that aside, the agenda of evolutionists is plain: protect the current sexual rule book at all costs, including raising non-critically thinking kids.
Evos want one thing more than anything else: sexual freedom. They believe they are experiencing greater day to day sexual satisfaction b/c of that 'freedom'.
And so, they mistakenly believe that the bible thumpers, such as myself, not only have less satisfying sex, but that we want to make everyone else experience less satisfying sex too.
We Bible Thumpers, if we understood this single issue, that of sexual gratification and satisfaction, then this fight over evolution would be exposed for the trojan horse it really is.
Unfortunately, I'm one of the tiny few numbers of Christians who quite simply say: the sex is better, ALOT BETTER, when Christ is the Lord of the marriage. Why? Because the Holy Spirit is involved in all aspects of life for obedient Christians, including that associated w/ the bonding of husband and wife. Thus, the acts of bonding go way beyond the physcial realm that these atheistic scientists are currently constrained by. And interestingly, they are not interested in evidence or reports, such as this one, to the contrary. Never have been.
Being a practicing Christian of only 4 years, I respectfully report I have seen and experienced both sides of this fence. Churches and the body of Christ have existed for so long not without darn good reasons I have discovered. What I didn't expect at ALL was that I would find several of those reasons in my own bedroom.
We're discussing the Cobb County School Board here. I wouldn't automatically assume any of them can do long division.
Not going to debate the soundness of the theory of evolution. I suppose that should occur in the classroom.
However, the school board, which is locally elected, is certainly within its power to insist that the sticker be placed in the textbook. Absolutely no infringement of the First Amendment notwithstanding a liberal, federal judge's misguided opinion.
Don't like the sticker? Pull your kids out of the public school and homeschool or send them to a private school--just like conservatives have been forced to do. We are taking back our schools!
Not going to debate the soundness of the theory of evolution. I suppose that should occur in the classroom.
However, the school board, which is locally elected, is certainly within its power to insist that the sticker be placed in the textbook. Absolutely no infringement of the First Amendment notwithstanding a liberal, federal judge's misguided opinion.
Don't like the sticker? Pull your kids out of the public school and homeschool or send them to a private school--just like conservatives have been forced to do. We are taking back our schools!
Long division is way over rated.
That will not impress the federal courts. They didn't take any other scientific theory and subject it to the same disclaimer; they put no sticker on the chemistry or physics textbooks. If they want this to fly, they're going to have to be a lot more 'fair and balanced' than that.
> In that case, since "fundamentalist Muslims" believe in... oh, how about... gravity, one might expect you'll consider taking the opposite side of that argument, too.
Except, of course, that gravity (like evolution and unlike Creationism) is *not* a religious idea. I hope that you can understand the distinction.
Raving loony placemarker.
> "What concrete evidence is there for evolution?"
> Great question. One few evolutionists care to answer directly.
Hogwash. Here's an answer:
"The entire fossil record speaks clearly of evolution."
> claim that fossils of different animals in younger beds represent the consequence of 'evolution' requires faith.
Only the faith in cause and effect.
> the agenda of evolutionists is plain: protect the current sexual rule book at all costs
I believe I can speak for many evolutionists when I say... WTF????
Is not evolution the bedrock of the religion of "secular humanism?"
Seems to me the theory of evolution is very much a religious idea?
> Is not evolution the bedrock of the religion of "secular humanism?"
I have no idea. But even if it was... so what? A religion can glom onto a hard fact.
> Seems to me the theory of evolution is very much a religious idea?
Nope. Religion has no more part in the theory of evolution than it has in the theory of cause and effect.
Just your opinion--which should have no more weight in my child's classroom than any other.
The issue is whether the school has the power to mandate the sticker. Regardless of the merits of evolution theory, the school does indeed have such power.
Before said Muslims arrived on the scene, people like you generally tended to invoke the name of Hitler, as in "Everybody knows Hitler [smoked cigars | drank beer | whatever]. So, by doing the same, you're just as bad as Hitler!!!!"
Most reasonable people abandon that juvenile tactic by the time they enter the third grade. Perhaps you're an exception. Or not.
So far, all you've offered me in this thread are (1) to compare local school matters to slavery and/or free speech cases with regard to Federal court jurisdiction, and (2) an implication that creationism is a bad point of view simply because fundamentalist Muslims allegedly also happen to believe in it.
So, stop already. It only makes you look silly.
Indeed, the judge is clearly being activist.
It didn't. http://www.palaeos.com/Ecology/Biota/Ediacara.html
Explain how mere protein molecules, which contain and process more information than MIT students could dream of, naturally came into existence with all the information necessary for the creation of life.
The information content of the human genome could be stored on a single CD. In all probability, the meaningful information could be stored on a floppy.
To the best of my knowledge, unless you can provide a specific case, there is no proof or witnesses of one species causing another
That's because your knowledge is meager and tainted by prejudice.
The parents didn't complain about those books.
You didn't address the words of the sticker.
More importantly you didn't address the words of the 1st Amendment.
Would you like the 2nd amendment to be interpreted the way the 1st is interpreted?
"The only claims agaisnt evolution are religious in nature. There are no valid scientific ones."
And that makes the use of stickers in these b ooks the equivalent of establishing a state church?
You are delusional.
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