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Bush invites Abbas to White House
Haaretz ^ | 10/01/2005

Posted on 01/10/2005 8:29:14 AM PST by IAF ThunderPilot

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As I wrote in a similar article moments ago:

There has never been a palestinian state, kingdom, king, or capital.
Before 1948 the area was rooled by the British, and before them by the Turks, and so on.
After 1948 west bank was Jordan and Gaza was Egypt. In 1967 Israel fought for its existnace once again and took control over the JORDANIAN west bank and the EGYPTIAN gaza strip and Sinai desert (and Golan heights of Syria).

There is no reason for a palestinian state on the Israeli land.

Its an absoord that so many leaders buy this islamic jihad stuff.

Their state is Jordan.

70% of the Jordanians are palestinians. They can all go and live there, or ask the Egyptians for the Sinai desert's empty wasteland (a land 2.5 times larger than the state of Israel) so they coould do something with the wasteland.
But Jordan doesnt care from the "palestinians" neither does Egypt.

Do you want to know who are the "palestinians"? Here you go:

Unfashionable Facts About the Middle East

1. Nationhood and Jerusalem. Israel became a nation-state in 1312 B.C, 2,000 years before the rise of Islam, and was a nation before that.

2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C., the Jews have had dominion over the land for 1,000 years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

4. The Romans introduced the word Palestine as a way to expunge the name Judea from the map-a punishment for the Bar Kochba rebellion suppressed in 135 C.E.
The Arabs conquered Palestine in 635 AD, stealing it from its legitimate Jewish rulers, who had evicted the Byzantines while being led by a woman general, one Hefzibah, who then restored Jewish sovereignty. Palestine was stolen from the Jews by the Arabs and not the other way around. Arab sovereignty over Palestine ended in 1071 when the area was conquered by Seljuk Turks. “Palestinian” Arabs never held sovereignty over “Palestine” and cannot even pronounce the name of their supposed “homeland”. They cannot say “Palestine”.
There has never been a Palestinian (Arab or Muslim) king, there has never been a Palestinian capital, there has never been a Palestinian kingdom or state.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein on March 31, 1977:

Quote: "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism."
End of Quote.

I remind you that this was a quote from PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein on March 31, 1977.

Those are the "palestinians".


41 posted on 01/10/2005 11:40:12 AM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (The basic point of the Israel Defence Forces: -Israel cannot afford to lose a single war.)
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42 posted on 01/10/2005 11:42:50 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: jveritas
He's doing a passable job. He is not exerting nearly enough pressure on Syria, Iran or the "Palestinians". His support for Israel might best be termed luke warm. President Bush is nowhere near "magnificent".
43 posted on 01/10/2005 11:44:45 AM PST by T.Smith
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To: JoeV1
Not a bad thing since it puts the onus on Abbas and he must react. The world is watching.

What a crock. The world is always watching and only criticizes Israel and America. Trying to appease "the world" will never work and only lead to dead Americans and Israelis. Bush should not shake hands with a man who has the blood of Americans and Israelies on his hands.

44 posted on 01/10/2005 12:23:32 PM PST by M 91 u2 K
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To: M 91 u2 K

" The world is always watching and only criticizes Israel and America. Trying to appease "the world" will never work and only lead to dead Americans and Israelis. Bush should not shake hands with a man who has the blood of Americans and Israelies on his hands."

Right-on, very well said!


45 posted on 01/10/2005 12:30:30 PM PST by Convert from ECUSA (tired of shucking and jiving)
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To: T.Smith
History will remember President Bush as one of our greatest Presidents ever.
46 posted on 01/10/2005 12:39:57 PM PST by jveritas
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

I'm agin' it. Seriously, why must Bush meet with an out of the closet terrorist supporter?


47 posted on 01/10/2005 12:56:58 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal-Shieldmaiden of the Infidel)
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To: jveritas
"History will remember President Bush as one of our greatest Presidents ever."

The Mexican majority might remember him that way. Legitimate Americans will not. If he manages to get the Fair Tax made law, I might reconsider. But, so far, he has only proved himself to be better than the Democrat alternative.

48 posted on 01/10/2005 1:06:09 PM PST by T.Smith
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To: T.Smith

Typical third party voter or Buchanan supporters whining.


49 posted on 01/10/2005 1:10:32 PM PST by jveritas
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
I guess it never hurts to talk, but from what I've read Abbas' position is no different than Arafat's was, which would mean no deal is possible. He wants the "right of return" and 100% of the West Bank, neither of which can Israel give up.
50 posted on 01/10/2005 1:11:21 PM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: jveritas
Typical doctrinaire Republican toeing the line and staying firmly on the plantation.
51 posted on 01/10/2005 1:12:09 PM PST by T.Smith
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To: COEXERJ145

Take a look at post # 46.


52 posted on 01/10/2005 1:12:14 PM PST by jveritas
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To: T.Smith
I am very proud to be a Republican and no the Republican party is not a plantation. The Republican party represents the majority of Americans and that why we control the government.

For sure I do not want to belong to the mental institution of insanely delusional people who vote for 3rd loser party and think they achieve any thing significant.

53 posted on 01/10/2005 1:15:34 PM PST by jveritas
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Just another foolish attempt by an American Administration to put a square peg in a round hole. Doomed to fail before it starts.


54 posted on 01/10/2005 2:06:34 PM PST by Nachum
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To: jveritas
History will remember President Bush as one of our greatest Presidents ever.

Yes it will because those who whine about everything the President does won't be the ones writing the history. Those who use "Michael Moore 6th Grade Logic" whether they're on the right or on the left will never have their views accepted except by the few who hold the same ideals.

55 posted on 01/10/2005 5:06:25 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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