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The ABCs of school finance TX)
Star-Telegram ^ | Jan. 09, 2005 | Mike Norman

Posted on 01/09/2005 9:20:39 AM PST by Dubya

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1 posted on 01/09/2005 9:20:39 AM PST by Dubya
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To: Dubya; Dog Gone; GOPcapitalist; BUSHdude2000; YCTHouston; Flyer

FYI Ping ......


2 posted on 01/09/2005 9:25:21 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (Redneck from a red city, in a red county, in a red state.)
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It's always fun when we cram two years of legislation into a 140 day session.


3 posted on 01/09/2005 9:40:31 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dubya

Why do politicians make everything so difficult? It's simple really, GET RID of all the ILLEGALS kids out of the schools and the kids of legals who are only legal because of Anchor babies.Problem solved.

There was No mention of solving the massive illegal insurgent problems. Thanks Perry.


4 posted on 01/09/2005 9:43:06 AM PST by stopem
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To: Dog Gone

They need to just raise the heck out of the state sales tax - focusing on items purchased by illegals that work for cash and pay no property taxes - and would never have a dime deduced in a state payroll tax system.


5 posted on 01/09/2005 9:44:00 AM PST by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: stopem

If you go back 25+ years there was a time in Texas that you had to prove yoru legal status in order to be enrolled in public schools - that went aways thanks to liberal, bleeding-heart judges.


6 posted on 01/09/2005 9:45:58 AM PST by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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It will probably end up being a combination of things. Sin taxes, more gambling, a sales tax increase, and a broader business tax.

Frankly, the state ought to be rolling in dough thanks to the high oil and gas prices of the past couple of years.

7 posted on 01/09/2005 9:50:14 AM PST by Dog Gone
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A measurement of a school district's student enrollment. Under this measurement, students who fit into categories (such as those having learning difficulties, those who need bilingual education, those who are deemed gifted or talented) are recognized as costing more to educate and are given a "weight," so that each counts as more than a single student for funding purposes.

It's not about the education it's about the:

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8 posted on 01/09/2005 9:52:29 AM PST by raybbr
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To: Dog Gone
Frankly, the state ought to be rolling in dough thanks to the high oil and gas prices of the past couple of years.

I am sure most states are pretty flush financially. However, there is a drain on the budget called "education".

9 posted on 01/09/2005 9:54:54 AM PST by raybbr
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....However, there is a drain on the budget called "education". (AMEN to that!)

One statistic that will never see the light of day in this whole debate and process is the cost to home owners to educate illegals in Texas public schools

10 posted on 01/09/2005 10:01:19 AM PST by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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Why must you people always try to hijack every thread and turn it into an illegal b*tch fest? The problems Texas has with school finance would not be solved by "getting rid of the illegals" but of course why lets facts get in the way of a good rant? As others have pointed out, this issue has gone from being about border control and turned into a serious case of xenophobia.
11 posted on 01/09/2005 10:01:46 AM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: Dog Gone
It's always fun when we cram two years of legislation into a 140 day session.

That's true, however it beats cramming 140 days of legislation into two years. That would be like the 45 minutes of info, Rush crams into 3 hours everyday!

12 posted on 01/09/2005 10:09:05 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (Redneck from a red city, in a red county, in a red state.)
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To: VRWCTexan

Even the school systems are rewarded with dollars for illegals. Every child, legal or not, counts as a chunk of money for the system. More money to waste.


13 posted on 01/09/2005 10:09:55 AM PST by raybbr
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No mention of solving the massive illegal insurgent problems. Thanks Perry

While I can't stand Perry, this problem is a direct result of the Federal Government.

14 posted on 01/09/2005 10:11:15 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (Redneck from a red city, in a red county, in a red state.)
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Getting rid of all the illegals' kids wouldn't help that much in the San Antonio area-there are not that many of them there, especially in the 'burbs. But there ARE plenty of totally incompetent school boards and administrators who are seemingly accountable to absolutely no one as far as their spending of taxpayers' money. Out here in the rural areas, we get rid of those people when they don't use that money for worthwhile endeavors-it just happened recently-the school administration was forced to sell a piece of real estate they had purchased with taxpayer funds for a grandiose vision of turning it into a "sports complex" for their athletics program that would have done credit to a school district in a major city-problem is, this is a rural county-there is not a town with 6000 people out here, and there are less than 19,000 in the entire county. They got smacked down hard and everyone involved in the scheme got tossed out. This needs to be done in EVERY major city, period.


15 posted on 01/09/2005 10:11:32 AM PST by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line...)
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16 posted on 01/09/2005 10:12:33 AM PST by raybbr
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Rather, the state's elected leaders want to see local school property tax rates significantly reduced, and the additional business tax money would be used to pay for that reduction as an even, dollar-for-dollar trade. Any new money for schools would have to come from other sources.

Camel's nose under the tent. While Texas has gone more conservative, many of the new "Republicans" are actually Rats who abandoned a sinking ship. They are using the term "state payroll tax" because they know that using what it really is, "state income tax", guarantees they'll be out of office by the time they get back to their home district. Reducing property taxes is strictly a temporary way to try and persuade people to allow a state income tax. As soon as they get the income tax in place, property taxes will rise right back up.

A state district judge in Austin now has ruled that the current school finance system is unconstitutional -- that it does not provide enough money to meet state educational requirements. He also said that, during the past decade, too many of Texas' 1,000-plus school districts gradually have been forced to raise taxes to the maximum $1.50 rate in an attempt to meet state requirements, effectively making that tax cap an unconstitutional state property tax.

Red herring. Amending the Texas Constitution is easy. This entire mess started when liberals put a general statement of intent into a Texas constitutional amendment. Conservatives let them pass what they thought was a feel good measure, but the liberals have been changing the Texas school funding system through lawsuits based on the amendment since Ann Richards was governor. It's time to change this amendment.

Ann Richards pushed the state lottery through, claiming that it would be earmarked for school funding. Of course, earmarking for state funding is ridiculous, because all they do is reduce funding from other sources.

The problem is that many people want someone else to pay for educating their children. They want other people to feed them (free school lunches), and look after them after school. They want them to pick them up from the house, drop them off, and go about their lives with the government looking after their children. As in California, much of the stress is being put on the school system by illegal aliens. Legal aliens pay taxes, and hence, pay school taxes. Illegal aliens do not pay taxes, and stress the system.

17 posted on 01/09/2005 10:14:03 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Crawford Pirates, Texas State Football Champions!!!!!!!)
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To: Dubya
Children and elderly people who have died should have come under the guardianship of understaffed state Child Protective Services and Adult Protective Services operations.

hmmmm…… Now let me get this straight….the dead need protective services?

Economically disadvantaged - Students whose family income is so low that they qualify for federal free- and reduced lunch programs. In general, these students are seen as facing learning challenges not faced by wealthier students. Their scores on standardized tests are studied separately from those of other students to make sure that economically disadvantaged students are being given the help they need to meet educational goals.

This is insane…..Texas does not require a lick of proof that a family is economically disadvantaged…all one has to do is sign the photocopied form that “every child” takes home……

No thank you.....my son is in private Christian school here in Texas....we take the time & responsibility to make his lunch!

18 posted on 01/09/2005 10:15:12 AM PST by cbkaty
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It would have been a cold day in hell when I'd have let our kids eat in a school cafeteria-even for free-and they were in private school till 9th grade. It wasn't that much trouble to pack them a wholesome lunch that didn't include fried crap with starchy gravy and sugar loaded deserts.


19 posted on 01/09/2005 10:24:07 AM PST by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line...)
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To: Richard Kimball
Legal aliens pay taxes, and hence, pay school taxes?

Great comments but I disagree somewhat in that actual "home owners" in Texas pay the vast majority of school (property) taxes - so to the extent that "legal" aliens choose to own homes your statement is true.

School property taxes are based on property value, thus apartment buildings that house a great number of school age children pay the same amount as a private home that may house only one to two children.

One simple fix would be to start taxing property based on the number of bedrooms - in that way families that rent apartments would have to start paying their fair share (legal and/or illegal) towards education

20 posted on 01/09/2005 10:34:12 AM PST by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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