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1 posted on 01/05/2005 9:50:40 PM PST by paltz
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I can make Americans do jobs. Deport the illegals and do away with welfare.

They'll have to do it or starve to death.


2 posted on 01/05/2005 9:52:42 PM PST by Crazieman (Islam. Religion of peace, and they'll kill you to prove it.)
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To: paltz
Today the president announces his plan for a vast new guestworker system, which would grant amnesty to millions of illegals currently in the United States, as well as import millions of new workers from abroad.

His amnesty scheme wont work and will only attract millions more. Of course, it's pretty safe to say that this is the plan.

4 posted on 01/05/2005 9:56:17 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: paltz

Where are these jobs Americans won't do coming from, are we creating thousands of them per month, to match the number of illegals breaking into our country? Somehow I find that hard to believe.


7 posted on 01/05/2005 9:58:21 PM PST by c-b 1
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There's only one job I can think of that Americans won't do... and that's kissing up to the UN!! (We'll leave that to the Euros)


8 posted on 01/05/2005 10:01:24 PM PST by mysto ("I am ZOT proof" --- famous last words of a troll.)
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I dont want to spend money to have our leafs(sp?) raked. Love them illegals ...
Just kiddin!


11 posted on 01/05/2005 10:06:30 PM PST by Seajay (Ordem e Progresso)
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I'd rather pay $5 for Strawberries. At least I have the option to pay it or not. But forcing me to subsidize some businessman's cheap labor is wrong. WHY does no one mention this? What good is a guestworker program that continues to force taxpayers to foot the bill???

In the West, we're not talking hundreds per year, folks, we're talking thousands.

Give us a break! JOrge, you want to talk guestworker...also talk forcing the businessmen to pay a livable wage to them. We're tired of paying for it.


13 posted on 01/05/2005 10:08:44 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (We have the best politicians corporate money can buy)
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Number cruncher numbskulls make my teeth hurt.

This clymer talks about the percentage of the economy that is agriculture and off the top of his head says no big deal we can shit can that small percentage. No problem. So vegies are more expensive. No problem.

What the idiot does not understand is that vegies will rot in the field. No, they won't even get planted.

Houses will not be build. Yards will not be upkept. Street maintenance will cease. Chickens will not be slaughtered. Overgrown brushy land will not be cleared. Autobody and fender work will not be done. Garbage will not be collected. Restaurants will lose half their cooks and have no busboys.

That's just some of the stuff I can think of. Of course I live in the West. If you vacumed up all the illegals our economy simply would not work. Deny it all you want. It is the case.


16 posted on 01/05/2005 10:12:53 PM PST by mercy (20 years a Gates sucker was enough)
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Years ago it was havesting food and cleaning homes. Then gardening. Then illegals started taking jobs teens traditionally had like selling and serving fast food. Now they've moved into construction jobs.


19 posted on 01/05/2005 10:19:23 PM PST by socal_parrot (Sego palms are actually cycads.)
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BTTT


25 posted on 01/05/2005 10:34:57 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: paltz

There's a simple way to get Americans to do the "Jobs Americans Won't Do." Grant citizenship to those doing the job currently. Problem solved.


29 posted on 01/05/2005 10:46:40 PM PST by ddantas (q)
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"What first strikes the visitor with amazement is the superiority of this country in matters of technology and organization. Objects of everyday use are more solid than in Europe, houses much more practically designed. Everything is designed to save human labor. Labor is expensive, because the country is sparsely inhabited in comparison with its natural resources. The high price of labor was the stimulus which evoked the marvelous development of technical devices and methods of work. The opposite extreme is illustrated by over-populated China or India, where the low price of labor has stood in the way of the development of machinery. Europe is halfway between the two." - Albert Einstein "My First Impressions of the U.S.A., July 1921

This realization is nothing new. Technological advancement doesn't happen in a vacuum, it happens in response to an outside stimulus. America's wealth was generated not by industrialists, but by technological innovations and wage increases driven by a scarcity of labor. High labor costs have been responsible for everything from the rise of the railroads to the invention of the modern computer. The importation of cheap foreign labor combined with foreign outsourcing is alleviating the traditional American labor scarcity, which improves the short term bottom line of the companies at the expense of long term innovation and the maintained technological lead of the United States.

Who should we listen to, Albert Einstein, or a bunch of overpaid CEO's and talking head TV economists?
30 posted on 01/05/2005 10:47:25 PM PST by Arthalion
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Elevated blood pressure BTTT


33 posted on 01/05/2005 10:54:27 PM PST by lainde
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Wall Street Journal

"During a immigration subcommittee hearing in March, Mr. Cannon had the gumption to question the executive director of CIS, Mark Krikorian, as well as to challenge Roy Beck, who heads NumbersUSA and serves as "spokesman" for CFAW. After first denying it, Mr. Krikorian was forced to admit that CIS is a spin-off of FAIR.

"In fact, CIS, FAIR, NumbersUSA, Project-USA and more than a half-dozen similar groups that Republicans have become disturbingly comfy with, were founded or funded (or both) by John Tanton, a retired doctor in Michigan. In addition to trying to stop immigration to the U.S., appropriate population-control measures for Dr. Tanton and his network include promoting China's one-child policy, sterilizing Third World women and wider use of RU-486.

"FAIR, where Mr. Krikorian once worked, is run by Dan Stein and shares advisers and personnel with CIS and other members of the Tanton nexus. As our Jason Riley noted in a March op-ed, "By Dr. Tanton's own reckoning, FAIR has received more than $1.5 million from the Pioneer Fund, a white-supremacist outfit devoted to racial purity through eugenics."

34 posted on 01/05/2005 11:02:46 PM PST by bayourod (The states and cities with large immigrant labor pools are the prosperous ones.)
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37 posted on 01/05/2005 11:11:05 PM PST by gubamyster
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I really like this idea.

Bush is doing a great thing with this proposal.

Immigrants are the backbone of America. Look how great he did with Hispanics this year. John Kerry would be president 2 weeks from now if it had not been for the Hispanics coming out in droves for him. He improved his 2000 percentage by 10 points.

It's also good for capitalism in general, to have more people in the country working jobs. Free immigration is an essential part of a capitalism system.


50 posted on 01/06/2005 1:25:29 AM PST by PokerGod
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Today the president announces his plan

When will Bush (or is it Carter?, Kerry?) do his usual stammering and stuttering on this issue?

If it's in the evening, a good drinking game would be a sip every time this wretched clown says "compassion".

59 posted on 01/06/2005 2:40:37 AM PST by dagnabbit (Vincente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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This thread is racist, we need low wage labor, they are our future and without that supply of low wage labor which will morph into tommorow's brain trust America will die on the vine (pun intended). These are just my LaRaza/WSJ talking points for today.


64 posted on 01/06/2005 4:29:58 AM PST by junta (junta, "is one uppity cracker")
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Enforce immigration laws, fine employers $10,000/illegal hired and it will go a long way to clearing up the issue


69 posted on 01/06/2005 4:45:48 AM PST by StoneColdTaxHater
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the illegal mexican in our apartment building, works as a landscaper, has huge mexican flag draped across his window, and spits when he sees americans.


75 posted on 01/06/2005 5:04:04 AM PST by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen! (/s))
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Immigration today reminds me of the sin of disenfranchising the black man when the Constition was written.

Instead of dealing with the problem then it was swept under the rug and came to a crisis in the 1850's/1860's.

Today, instead of securing the border and making Mexico deal with its problem, which would eventually end up in revolution, our Gov. chooses to ignore the issue.

The problem is with Mexico, not the US needing workers!

All IMHO.


78 posted on 01/06/2005 5:11:11 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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