[LiteKeeper]

YEC SPOTREP!

[Mr. Mojo]

“hobbit man,” belong to the same species: Homo sapiens. 

Hobbits are humans?

[bondserv]

Ping!

The famous becomes infamous.

[farmfriend]

Just incase you are not on the other list.

[Coyoteman]

December 10, 2004: Anatomist Maciej Henneberg has claimed that the 'Hobbit' skull is extremely similar to that of a microcephalic specimen from Crete (microcephaly is a medical condition which results in small brain sizes). I suspect Henneberg, though a respected anatomist, will turn out to be wrong for a number of reasons. One is that Brown and his colleagues are also respected anatomists, and they have had access to the fossil and many months in which to study it. Brown considered the possibility of microcephaly even before Henneberg raised it, and rejected it: More ...

This is from a quick web search. There is often more than meets the eye than is found in an initial freeper post.

[AntiGuv]

"There is no precise way in which we can test whether Julius Caesar and Princess Diana were members of the same species of Homo sapiens."

I am pleased someone has raised this issue; I've been noting it for many years. Considering that genetic drift is a constant process, the transition between species must be a gradual shift. Many people, particularly opponents, seem to conceptualize these abrupt, dramatic transitions which simply aren't what evolution is all about. It is conceivable that a modern Briton and an ancient Roman would be genetically incompatible, and therefore of different species (or at least subspecies).

Granted, there's a compelling reason to deduce that Julius Caesar and Princess Diana were indeed of the same species. That is, groups of humans isolated from each other since long before Julius Caesar's time are nonetheless capable of reproducing with one another, and therefore are of the same species.* There is no plausible reason to think that genetic drift since the 1^st century BC Italy to 20^th century AD Britain was greater than that from 10,000 BC Siberia or Polynesia.

* please spare us the mules..

[advance_copy]

Now, this is comes from a different speces

[Ichneumon]

Already posted (and discussed) here.

And as I posted at the time, Henneberg's "analysis" is so simplistic as to be worthless (but when has that been a problem for the creationists before?):

The problem is that such a "weights and heights" measure is an extremely simplistic measure. Just because there are modern humans who are midgets, that doesn't mean that an Australopithecus would be taken for a "normal" modern human if one were to be brought to the present using a time machine. You'd still freak out if you saw one walk into the 7-11.

I don't know *any* modern humans who look even remotely like *this*:

Massive brow ridge, *NO* forehead, a braincase you could wrap your hand around like a football, a prominent protruding muzzle, small close-set eyes, jawbone larger than the braincase, etc. etc. Compare to the proportions and angles of a modern human skull:

For Henneberg to say, "well they're in the same extreme size range, they must have been have been the same species", is utterly ludicrous. Not, of course, that that stops "Creation-Evolution Headlines" from using it as "proof" of their misconceptions about biology...

[citizencon]

Modern humans belong to the same species as the Neanderthals(otherwise known as the French)?!! Oh no!!!!!

[eclectic]

This is a terminological issue actually. It depends how you define species. The recent DNA studies seem to show that Homo sapience that left Africa 60,000 years ago (the ancestors of all modern humans) and the Neanderthals (who left around 250,000 years ago) did not interbreed. Thus they are different species by at least one definition

[edsheppa]

My recollection is that mtDNA studies showed at least no female Neanderthal ancestry for modern humans - strong evidence against this "One Species" proposal.

[fso301]

I don't know the answer to this question: How many rib bones do male members of these species have?

[djf]

AFAIK, there are no animals or plants or even viuses on Earth that have DNA made from anything other than Adenosine, Cysteine, Guanine, and Thymine.

So any argument about "species" is kind of lame and has no meaning.

Life on earth is based on the above. Any proteins or amino acid complexes that are different are ruthlessly attacked.

Perhaps we are a bit too proud of ourselves. Something like 90% of living beings on earth are too small to be seen by the naked eye, they are bacteria.

And 80% of those live undeground or in the oceans.

[js1138]

“There is no precise way in which we can test whether Julius Caesar and Princess Diana were members of the same species of Homo sapiens”

Actually there is, but I bet you can't figure it out. Hint: it doesn't require any scientific training.

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[muir_redwoods]

ping for later

[ConservativeBamaFan]

Bump for later read. This should be good.

[SunkenCiv]

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