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Anthropologist Claims Humans, Neanderthals, Australopithecines All Variations on One Species
Creation-Evolution Headlines ^ | 01/01/2005 | Creation-Evolution Headlines

Posted on 01/02/2005 9:41:39 PM PST by bondserv

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To: Prost1
I am right. They are wrong. Prove me otherwise.

Antarctica split from Australia about 96 million years ago, in the early Cretaceous Era. Antarctica was covered in ice by 25 million years ago, about the start of the Miocene Era. The first hominids don't show up until about 4 million years ago, in the middle Pliocene Era.

I find it somewhat implausible that Australopithecines evolved from seals on the edge of an ice shelf and swam 3,500 miles to Africa hunting penguins, or whatever..

21 posted on 01/03/2005 12:01:15 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: bondserv

My recollection is that mtDNA studies showed at least no female Neanderthal ancestry for modern humans - strong evidence against this "One Species" proposal.


22 posted on 01/03/2005 12:09:35 AM PST by edsheppa
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To: edsheppa

Shh, don't confuse them with facts.


23 posted on 01/03/2005 1:31:27 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon; Junior; VadeRetro; longshadow
I need input, gentlemen. We've had a thread on this identical subject very recently, and it only attracted 31 posts: Believe it or not, they're all the same species [Human Evolution]. And now it gets posted again, by the other side of the debate, from a creationist website. Question: do I use the ping list for this thread? I don't see the need to bother everyone.
24 posted on 01/03/2005 3:21:13 AM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: bondserv
I don't know the answer to this question: How many rib bones do male members of these species have?
25 posted on 01/03/2005 3:27:21 AM PST by fso301
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To: bondserv

AFAIK, there are no animals or plants or even viuses on Earth that have DNA made from anything other than Adenosine, Cysteine, Guanine, and Thymine.

So any argument about "species" is kind of lame and has no meaning.

Life on earth is based on the above. Any proteins or amino acid complexes that are different are ruthlessly attacked.

Perhaps we are a bit too proud of ourselves. Something like 90% of living beings on earth are too small to be seen by the naked eye, they are bacteria.

And 80% of those live undeground or in the oceans.


26 posted on 01/03/2005 3:35:54 AM PST by djf
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To: bondserv

Hmm.. I should not have said "10,000 BC Siberia or Polynesia" because Polynesia wasn't settled until after 1600 BC (beginning with the Solomon Islands, and that is more strictly Melanesia). I should've said Oceania, and I was thinking New Guinea and Australia, to be exact.


27 posted on 01/03/2005 3:42:08 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: djf

I would say we aren't nearly proud enough of ourselves. My prediction is that that will change within 10,000 years.. Prove me wrong! =)


28 posted on 01/03/2005 4:13:59 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: LiteKeeper

merely right-click an image, then select PROPERTIES from menu shown.

the URL will be there.....


29 posted on 01/03/2005 6:03:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: fso301

Rib bones?

Does it matter?

If your daddy lost his index finger way before you were concieved, I'll bet you have two of them.......

(Or is this a 'horse' toes type of question?)


30 posted on 01/03/2005 6:08:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: PatrickHenry
I need input, gentlemen. We've had a thread on this identical subject very recently, and it only attracted 31 posts...

Well, you had to post it on Christmas Day when I wasn't at the computer to stir up trouble!

31 posted on 01/03/2005 6:18:29 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: bondserv
That would still be an evolutionary progression according to Henneberg. It's just that you have to go farther back to where we lost the tail before the species changes. Or something.

Actually, evolution says that when you have enough data available to you it *should be* hard to say where one species leaves off and another begins. But, as Ichneumon has explained already on this thread, Henneberg's analysis is more naive than insightful. It makes fun newspaper copy but don't expect it to win much influence.

32 posted on 01/03/2005 6:23:40 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: djf
"And 80% of those live undeground or in the oceans."

Exactly.

33 posted on 01/03/2005 6:46:17 AM PST by blam
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To: bondserv
“There is no precise way in which we can test whether Julius Caesar and Princess Diana were members of the same species of Homo sapiens”

Actually there is, but I bet you can't figure it out. Hint: it doesn't require any scientific training.

34 posted on 01/03/2005 6:52:36 AM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: blam

I remember how astounded I was a few years back when I read the report that they had found chemosynthetic bacteria in solid bedrock something like 25 hundred feet down.

I imagine that limit itself has been exceeded, next they will find chemosynthetic pyrophilic ones even deeper.


35 posted on 01/03/2005 6:54:59 AM PST by djf
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To: Elsie
(Or is this a 'horse' toes type of question?)

No. It's a question you obviously don't understand.

36 posted on 01/03/2005 7:07:00 AM PST by fso301
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To: blam
A quick google tells me they have found sulphating bacteria at a depth of 3,500 metres in solid bedrock in Aspo, Sweden.


37 posted on 01/03/2005 7:08:02 AM PST by djf
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To: djf
This 250 million year old DNA caught my attention.

"Bacterial spores have recently been brought to public attention, following the use of these organisms for warfare purposes and the exciting report of viable 250-million-year-old spores (35).

38 posted on 01/03/2005 7:20:34 AM PST by blam
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To: VadeRetro
The way I read it is Professor Henneberg has a problem with the gung-ho clowns who jump to speciation conclusions when variation within a species is all the data reveals.

Once again, the overreaching "scientists" get slapped down by Professor Henneberg, Professor Harrison and Professor Stringer, experts in their field. These guys clearly take a conservative approach to science -- something that is not common practice, where as it should be a requirement.

Professor Maciej Henneberg, of the University of Adelaide, a world authority on fossil human anatomy.

Professor Chris Stringer, a leading expert on human fossils at the Natural History Museum, London.

Geoffrey Harrison, emeritus professor of biological anthropology at the University of Oxford.

39 posted on 01/03/2005 7:31:04 AM PST by bondserv (Sincerity with God is the most powerful instigator for change! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: blam

Yikes! I read the article, it didn't say how they found them. I know they have found viable archeobacteria in the guts of insects trapped in amber.

I'm a bit spooked by something that old. Modern lifeforms might have lost all resistance.


40 posted on 01/03/2005 7:31:57 AM PST by djf
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